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spiderman · Post by **spiderman** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:04 am

subindex wrote:wanker.

werd2jah · Post by **werd2jah** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:17 am

aight, i see what your sayin man

human? · Post by **human?** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:26 am

Werd2jaH wrote:aight, i see what your sayin man

word, and please dont take it as if im tryin to take anything AWAY from jamaicans by pointing out other influences... there would absolutely not be any sort of Hiphop as we know it without the Jamaican influence, thats for sure...

and thats the thing with the original post, i think its fair to say that American Hiphop beats have ALOT to do with how dubstep evolved... i think that Hip House has everything to do with the evolution of hardcore/jungle tekno... and obviously american house is essential to understand garage...

but at no point should anyone feel like something is being TAKEN from them when discussing evolutions of musics... thats why i got into this thread and it bothered me to begin with... it why im no fan of genre or nationalism when it comes to musics... i think we should be able to discuss the sounds, and the evolution, which is a BEAUTIFUL thing, without getting all defensive as if we werent all born into this world randomly...

yeh, "dubstep" started in the UK... sure... but what does that mean?

lol, i do have theories about certain frequencies & tempos resonating in certain places at certain times, but its just a idea, and as things move forward its becoming less important imho... lol, i mean, juke is sounding more like dnb everyday, wait until it really starts combining with club and we are gonna have a brand new american born jungle music on our hands...

echo wanderer · Post by **echo wanderer** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 3:22 am

Reptilian wrote:
don't you know we invented the revolver??!!!

Uhhh...actually it was a German.Not trying to downplay anyone's achievements,just setting facts straight.

http://books.google.com/books?id=izGOfM ... rpO_Kvdv6Y

Oh and Britain "stole" our Rock'n'Roll,Soul,Funk,Blues,House,Techno,and hiphop.So don't hate.We certainly don't.

echo wanderer · Post by **echo wanderer** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 3:37 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRC7zKfKomc

/silly ass thread

them · Post by **them** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 4:17 am

Werd2jaH wrote:is someone tryin to say that hip hop wasnt birth from reggae or what?

jamaican culture is the roots of hip hop and most of the uk urban music

when it all comes down to it reggae is da father

end of arguement

except reggae was born out of rocksteady which was born out of ska which was a mish-mash of traditional US and carribean music like calipso, jazz and rhythm + blues (all rooted back even older african and american folk and traditional music).

Some garage junkie told me it was literally just dark minimal UK garage to begin with, but as the name 'dubstep' emerged with the sound being cut on records only, people started to fuse in dub (and reggae) influence because of the word 'dub' in the name. Saying that there's an old remix of Dead Prez's 'hip hop' that came out of the US in the mid-nineties that is basically dubstep but a bit faster. Its probably not the only one. England's always nicking music off the yanks, but we do it with style

spartan · Post by **spartan** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 4:35 am

Werd2jaH wrote:umm no cats was "rappin" b4 reggae hit the u.s.

check yo history man

also i know new yorkers love to say hip hop was born out of they city

wonder where the majority of u.s. jamaican immigrants were when that all happened

it was a jamaican dj who brought over dubs and started toastin over em, u.s. peeps didnt like it (big surprise)

so he took old disco tunes/instrumentals and started toastin over that and it caught on

now once the market for this new genre of music became flooded, thats when all the different elements came to play (it had to or the genre would have grown stale)

which is why most genres pull from each other, to keep things fresh and new

but reggae birthed hip hop man if yu think its some other way then anything yu say is boo boo

actually, the last poets and reggae came out around the same time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Poets

but yeah, i see what you are saying...tbh, it all has it's roots in the blues, so yeah, it's all american

spartan · Post by **spartan** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 4:36 am

human? wrote:
Werd2jaH wrote:umm no cats was "rappin" b4 reggae hit the u.s.

check yo history man

also i know new yorkers love to say hip hop was born out of they city

wonder where the majority of u.s. jamaican immigrants were when that all happened

it was a jamaican dj who brought over dubs and started toastin over em, u.s. peeps didnt like it (big surprise)

so he took old disco tunes/instrumentals and started toastin over that and it caught on

now once the market for this new genre of music became flooded, thats when all the different elements came to play (it had to or the genre would have grown stale)

which is why most genres pull from each other, to keep things fresh and new

but reggae birthed hip hop man if yu think its some other way then anything yu say is boo boo

lol.

yeh, you know your music well....

i guess then last poets never existed? gil scott heron is imaginary? etc etc

dude, please....

im actually sayin exactly the opposite of what you are arguing against, calm your neck, re-read... you will actually find out im the one defending Jamaican influences...

*edit* thats the thing tho, you are looking at the music THROUGH a reggae lens... just dont confuse your lens (which is a usefull tool) for the music itself... thats where what you are sayin fails... you see it as all reggae, i see it as all Hiphop, the next man hears all garage etc etc, so it goes... but the reality is there isnt anything linear, its all one, and evolves together.

derp, this guy said it.

spek lives · Post by **spek lives** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 4:40 am

if you listen to tracks like The Lie - ZOMBY, you can def hear an american influenced bass track. at the same time if you listen to Bounce - Timbaland, you hear the standard Dubstep kick/snare pattern.

just the other day someone posted a track by billy joel on this forum which had a 4x4 dubstep pattern as well. its safe to say that with music its so easy to argue about things like this. Dubstep has a lot of elements of house and hip hop, but I dont see where it would be fair to take credit away from a lot UK producers who helped make it a genre instead of a sound lingering behind so much shit music.

BIG UP!

elementalism · Post by **elementalism** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 6:47 am

LOL.

Hang tight dubstep, still. You know the scene is big when Americans hipster-dreads start to listen.

He's wide of the mark, but only because he blatantly doesn't understand the history. I was 15/16 when the crews emerged from garage, I was one of the last of the Walkman generation and I can track the route that dubstep took because I grew up on a UK soundscape.

This guy is begging for attention.

djshiva · Post by **djshiva** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:01 am

Spartan wrote:
Reptilian wrote:
EVERY techno Producer on this earth has been influenced by Timberland wheather they like to admit it or not.
Argument fail

yep. especially considering that techno has been around LONG before timbaland. LOLz. look up "detroit". and detroit techno guys were influenced by kraftwerk.

again, as human? says, no linearity or definitive ting. just music happening in the way music happens.

+torment+ · Post by **+torment+** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:26 am

Kuma wrote:dubstep was invented by the vatican during the crusades.

that is the most LOADED quote i've ever read.

wow.

reptilian · Post by **reptilian** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:36 am

sapphic_beats wrote:
Spartan wrote:
Reptilian wrote:
= as human? says, no linearity or definitive ting. just music happening in the way music happens.

yeah this is true

also

dubstep is not a subdivision of "crunk", no matter how you look at it
its not at all ridiculous to say the beat patterns evolved out of garage
dub soundsystem culture is a major influence on the development of the dubstep scene
hip hop is one influence among many
also, dont forget the tradition of jungle, drum n bass etc as well as hardcore (basically rave)

deamonds · Post by **deamonds** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:41 am

lol at everyone trying to trace back the sound

who give's a shit?

its here now, enjoy it & shut up.

geiom · Post by **geiom** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:46 am

Its hard to know where to start with this but here's one thing that made me laugh -

Reptilian wrote: The English Journalists eventually called it Rock. Even when Some 70's albums which are obviously Funk (associated with African Americans) like Many of David Bowies and Pink Floyd records, They called it Rock anyway. Funk was always pretty Psychedelic to start.

can someone please ring david bowie and pink floyd to let them know they were making funk records ? cause I don't think they are aware of this !

geiom · Post by **geiom** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:48 am

+TORMENT+ wrote:
Kuma wrote:dubstep was invented by the vatican during the crusades.

i think pokes and crazy D could set up a confessional booth in a corner at Mass. ? the corner with that extra speaker stack would be good.

reptilian · Post by **reptilian** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:54 am

geiom wrote:Its hard to know where to start with this but here's one thing that made me laugh -

Reptilian wrote: The English Journalists eventually called it Rock. Even when Some 70's albums which are obviously Funk (associated with African Americans) like Many of David Bowies and Pink Floyd records, They called it Rock anyway. Funk was always pretty Psychedelic to start.

can someone please ring david bowie and pink floyd to let them know they were making funk records ? cause I don't think they are aware of this !

hahahaha

yeah pink floyd is actually funk!!

please when people are quoting can you make sure you change it so its crunc tesla saying it, or whoever said it

i've been quoted as saying we invented the revolver, that was someone else!! i dont give a shit who invented the revolver

that quotes funny but it gets better

after he said it was all hip hop and we shouldnt have "micro categories" in the same paragraph he went on to describe how burial isn't dubstep, its actually dark goth garage! then he wrote "what is dubstep?" like he wanted people to tell him ?!?!

so if anyone wants to know why i didn't open this as a "serious" discussion was because i just thought what he was saying was so mad, contradictory and off the wall that it was funny

deamonds · Post by **deamonds** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:01 am

Reptilian wrote:
geiom wrote:Its hard to know where to start with this but here's one thing that made me laugh -

Reptilian wrote: The English Journalists eventually called it Rock. Even when Some 70's albums which are obviously Funk (associated with African Americans) like Many of David Bowies and Pink Floyd records, They called it Rock anyway. Funk was always pretty Psychedelic to start.

can someone please ring david bowie and pink floyd to let them know they were making funk records ? cause I don't think they are aware of this !

hahahaha

yeah pink floyd is actually funk!!

please when people are quoting can you make sure you change it so its crunc tesla saying it, or whoever said it

i've been quoted as saying we invented the revolver, that was someone else!! i dont give a shit who invented the revolver

that quotes funny but it gets better

after he said it was all hip hop and we shouldnt have "micro categories" in the same paragraph he went on to describe how burial isn't dubstep, its actually dark goth garage! then he wrote "what is dubstep?" like he wanted people to tell him ?!?!

so if anyone wants to know why i didn't open this as a "serious" discussion was because i just thought what he was saying was so mad, contradictory and off the wall that it was funny

seriously though, why are you bothered about what this shitbag wrote on mywaste?

edit* Sorry just read last paragraph, lulz

_boring · Post by **_boring** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:05 am

ory · Post by **ory** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:30 am

dubstep couldn't have originated outside the UK because 2step couldn't have originated outside the UK because jungle couldn't have originated outside the UK because ardkore couldn't have originated outside the UK.

why? for substantial cultural, racial, political and even geographical reasons.

it's all historical circumstance.

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