Mastering question?

Sharmaji · Post by **Sharmaji** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 2:34 pm

^ nah mate, i'm 32 and definitely NOT vintage.

for quick (i mean like 5 minute) mastering job for something to play out and test that night, i think vintagewarmer is fine on the master. otherwise, it does a lot of things, very few of them transparently and almost all with unexpected results. It's always a keeper on my drum and percussion busses, usually in parallel because it WILL destroy transients if given the option. the back panel, where you can set the amount of saturation per band, is super-useful to keep cymbals and shakers at a certain amount of presence.

it's almost never in a chain for mastering that i do for hire for someone else. and if it is, it's specifically to murk up an overly-slick mix-- which isn't something you often get in electronic music, anyway.

FSTZ1 · Post by **FSTZ1** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 2:35 pm

yeah

you can get replacement parts on ebay or your local dentist

macc · Post by **macc** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 2:36 pm

TeReKeTe wrote:^ nah mate, i'm 32 and definitely NOT vintage

if it is, it's specifically to murk up an overly-slick mix

Very nicely put (you keep doing this, I thought drummers were supposed to be thick?)

Signed,

a drummer

moki · Post by **moki** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 2:52 pm

Macc wrote:LOL @ suggesting me as software

Anyway, Ozone 4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PSP VW.

I wouldn't put VW anywhere near a master channel. Great for smashing drums, but er... that's it.

Presets in mastering = no.

Thanks dude!

jtransition · Post by **jtransition** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 4:15 pm

Macc wrote:
George Lenton wrote:how do, @ macc, so your actually a mastering engineer, ? (the awe.... ha ha)
I'm not one of the big boys, but I make most of my living mastering these days, yes.

You calling me fat?
Jason

macc · Post by **macc** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 5:15 pm

LOL

Your work is.

Yeah I know... obsequious. But you do do f#cking good work.

EDIT - aren't you Fat Larry on GS? That would make sense

Sharmaji · Post by **Sharmaji** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 6:13 pm

Macc wrote:
TeReKeTe wrote:^ nah mate, i'm 32 and definitely NOT vintage

if it is, it's specifically to murk up an overly-slick mix
Very nicely put (you keep doing this, I thought drummers were supposed to be thick?)

Signed,

a drummer

trés thick

. alla di gyal dem know!

is it me, or do you find that a huge percentage of folks in the biz have a drumming background?

FSTZ1 · Post by **FSTZ1** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 6:24 pm

ooh ooh!

I wanna tell some of my drummer jokes!

how do you make a drummers van more aerodynamic?

take off the pizza delivery sign

Sharmaji · Post by **Sharmaji** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 6:26 pm

i'll beat you to it with the punchlines!!!

-- he drools out of both sides of his mouth.

--the pizza can feed a family of four.

--a drummer.

bring it on, baby!

FSTZ1 · Post by **FSTZ1** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 6:27 pm

why does he keep the drumsticks on the dash?

scooterjack · Post by **scooterjack** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 6:44 pm

for the original question, OZONE

and leave the drummers alone... don't y'all know we're crazy :lector:

legend4ry · Post by **legend4ry** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 6:52 pm

Macc wrote:I'm available as native VST, complete with condescending sarcasm and patronisation as standard.

One hell of a GUI though

FSTZ1 · Post by **FSTZ1** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 6:55 pm

ScooterJack wrote:for the original question, OZONE

and leave the drummers alone... don't y'all know we're crazy

I'm jealous because I don't have the coordianation that drummers have

macc · Post by **macc** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 7:37 pm

TeReKeTe wrote:i'll beat you to it with the punchlines!!!

-- he drools out of both sides of his mouth.

--the pizza can feed a family of four.

--a drummer.

bring it on, baby!

You forgot 'it took them half an hour to get the drummer out'

jtransition · Post by **jtransition** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 1:59 pm

Macc wrote:LOL

Your work is.

Yeah I know... obsequious. But you do do f#cking good work.

EDIT - aren't you Fat Larry on GS? That would make sense

Yep
I thought the avatar gave it away
Maybe we should have lunch and talk bit rates

serox · Post by **serox** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 2:34 pm

TeReKeTe wrote:^ nah mate, i'm 32 and definitely NOT vintage.

for quick (i mean like 5 minute) mastering job for something to play out and test that night, i think vintagewarmer is fine on the master. otherwise, it does a lot of things, very few of them transparently and almost all with unexpected results. It's always a keeper on my drum and percussion busses, usually in parallel because it WILL destroy transients if given the option. the back panel, where you can set the amount of saturation per band, is super-useful to keep cymbals and shakers at a certain amount of presence.

it's almost never in a chain for mastering that i do for hire for someone else. and if it is, it's specifically to murk up an overly-slick mix-- which isn't something you often get in electronic music, anyway.

I just tried a (in fl8) compressor with the default setting it opens with on my master and it increased the overall volumn without putting it in the red.

I could not hear any difference to the sound tho. What kind of difference could I typically expect to notice when trying this?

boyd · Post by **boyd** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 3:23 pm

What IS the best thing to do simply to boost overall volume?

I'm happy with my mixdowns, just my bounced wav is always too quiet, and I've read loads of conflicting things about normalising/compressing/limiting/clipping.

Saw a video of some producer using T-rackS which has a compresser/limiter/clipper all in it, would this do the trick? I tried it and it boosted the volume and sounds fine to me, but I don't know much about these things and don't want to do anything detrimental to the track for playing out. Cheers.

Sharmaji · Post by **Sharmaji** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 3:52 pm

"best" is qualitative.

@boyd--
the easiest/fastest thing to do is some brickwall peak limiting. The waves L1 and L2 kinda set the standard for these as they're both pretty transparent (to a point).

set the output to just under 0 (like -.02) and start bringing down the threshold until you hear distortion. then back off.

bounce. listen. what do you hear? how do the drums sound? how is the bass respoinding? compare to other stuff-- is it as punchy?

@serox--
it depends on the compressor. use something like a cranesong and you'll have a tough time figuring out what, if anything, is going on.

again, the biggest obvious difference will be transients. takeoff the makeup gain and listen so that the original and the compressed version are the same volume. listen to the quality of the drums-- are they as punchy? do they feel as present? do you hear pumping or gritty distortion after the drum hits?

all of those are qualities that can be used to shape the listeners experience, or to get a different vibe out of an instrument at the track level.

serox · Post by **serox** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 4:14 pm

to be honest I dont think I was comparing the two at the same dB levels so may not have heard things very well.

Will try it again later and check for the things you said, cheers.

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