Dubstep - a genre?

shortstuff · Post by **shortstuff** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:51 am

Surface_Tension wrote:future dubwise garage sounding.

Nathan Barley called - he wants his words back

unlikely · Post by **unlikely** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 12:03 pm

Surface_Tension wrote:I agree about the need to package and name and classify... one disagreement though.

Reso isn't making anything remotely Dubstep at the moment. It's 140ish, but it ends there. He's made some Dubstep tunes in the past, but his new stuff isn't Dubstep at all. Fair play though, I still like it.

Burial also isn't making Dubstep. Southern Comfort and that release there were Dubstep in some ways, but again it's so ethereal and future dubwise garage sounding now that it's really on it's own there.

Joker is making Dubstep, but he's got his own swing on it. I'm pretty much over the Vocoder stuff at this point though so I hope it evolves from there. Been feeling the new Joker on Hyperdub though.

In short, I'm not sure if they were good or bad examples. If you're trying to say that they aren't Dubstep, you're correct. If you're trying to say that Dubstep is varied, you are correct. If you're trying to say that these examples prove Dubstep is varied, refer to my comments about how they aren't Dubstep above.

Well aren't we fortunate your around to tell us what is and isn't dubstep, life was very confusing before.

unlikely · Post by **unlikely** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 12:04 pm

oops double

cave man · Post by **cave man** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 12:07 pm

unlikely wrote:
Surface_Tension wrote:I agree about the need to package and name and classify... one disagreement though.

Reso isn't making anything remotely Dubstep at the moment. It's 140ish, but it ends there. He's made some Dubstep tunes in the past, but his new stuff isn't Dubstep at all. Fair play though, I still like it.

Burial also isn't making Dubstep. Southern Comfort and that release there were Dubstep in some ways, but again it's so ethereal and future dubwise garage sounding now that it's really on it's own there.

Joker is making Dubstep, but he's got his own swing on it. I'm pretty much over the Vocoder stuff at this point though so I hope it evolves from there. Been feeling the new Joker on Hyperdub though.

In short, I'm not sure if they were good or bad examples. If you're trying to say that they aren't Dubstep, you're correct. If you're trying to say that Dubstep is varied, you are correct. If you're trying to say that these examples prove Dubstep is varied, refer to my comments about how they aren't Dubstep above.

Well aren't we fortunate your around to tell us what is and isn't dubstep, life was very confusing before.

i loves it

bagelator · Post by **bagelator** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 12:11 pm

Blackdown wrote:
Surface_Tension wrote:Burial also isn't making Dubstep.
you've created quite an impressive volume of hot air in the 1917 times you've posted since last September but this truly takes the biscuit.

if Burial isn't dubstep I want nothing more to do with the genre.

i agree with you.

the roided out wobble bass/ midrange/aggravating noises crew seems to be winning the battle as to what 'defines' dubstep though.

bandshell · Post by **bandshell** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:09 pm

cb1mandem wrote:i cant see how u can say dubstep is not a genre
do u not think if every artist in one genre sounded the same it would not get repetative?

wow, you certainly understood my post

if you had actually read what i said you would see that I'm not saying variety is a bad thing, that's one of the fundamental reasons that I love this music. I was saying that there is so much variety present that it can't really be labeled as a specific genre, therefore dubstep is not a genre to me.

blackdown · Post by **blackdown** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:29 pm

bandshell wrote:there is so much variety present that it can't really be labeled as a specific genre, therefore dubstep is not a genre to me.

depends if you think a genre has to be many artists that all sound the same, or many artists that share a few common traits but have defined their own, inter-related sounds.

personally i'm far more interested in the latter...

spiderman · Post by **spiderman** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:30 pm

i see your point...

there is massive variation, and it is just a term to hold all the music together so it can be identified, etc etc...

but it does hold to an extent. structure wise and stuff, there are quite a few common things that hold for most of the music being made.

it is what it is and what you make of it after that.

neville bartos · Post by **neville bartos** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:30 pm

Blackdown wrote:
Surface_Tension wrote:
you've created quite an impressive volume of hot air in the 1917 times you've posted since last September.

magma · Post by **magma** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 2:09 pm

"Dubstep" describes at least two different things - a style of bass-heavy, garage, jungle and dub influenced electronic music at around 140bpm, but also a Community which extends the vibe to encompass lots of different genres (Hip Hop, breaks, house, 'funky', glitch, techno etc etc).

For me, the community is more important than the genre itself. Lots of people getting together and willing to be influenced by a massive range of things is a very healthy thing indeed.

If you think Burial isn't Dubstep then you don't understand the Dubstep community. He's as Dubstep as it gets.

uncle bill · Post by **uncle bill** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 3:14 pm

conscious_pilot wrote:proof that dubstep doesn't exist

Someone once asked Duke Ellington what jazz was and he answered "it's whatever Ella Fitzgerald sings". Obviously he didn’t mean that the word only applies to Ella Fitzgerald. He meant that jazz is more a feel or attitude than a style of music so that Ella is jazz even when she’s singing showtunes or pop music. Miles Davis was still jazz when he was making rock/funk fusion music or experimenting with Hip Hop.

I think there's a reasonable case for dubstep being whatever gets played out at nights like FWD, DMZ and (for Bristol people like me) Subloaded. The clubs, DJs and punters define the music rather than the other way round.

Saying that dubstep doesn’t exist is like saying jazz doesn’t exist. Everybody who likes it knows what it is but that doesn’t mean they can put it into words.

rogue star · Post by **rogue star** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 3:29 pm

we are all dubstep, just cos it has breaks in doesnt mean its not dubstep...do some research please!

This scene is sposed to be a montage of dance influences with a couple elements tying it all together, wobble is not the definition of dubstep, reggae is not a defining point of dubstep, techno styles/breaks/dnb are not dubstep, but put it all together and by joe...there you have it.

140 and sub what more do you want?

feral witchchild · Post by **feral witchchild** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 3:30 pm

Apathesis wrote:Dubstep iz when you assign da filter 2 da LFO in dat massive fing.

georgedallas · Post by **georgedallas** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 3:35 pm

it is a genre, you're all dumb

iron myke · Post by **iron myke** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 3:38 pm

Rogue Star wrote:we are all dubstep, just cos it has breaks in doesnt mean its not dubstep...do some research please!

This.

Rogue Star wrote:140 and sub what more do you want?

And this.

From womps to beard-strokes, fuck all, it's good music that encapsulates a menagerie of cultures and sounds all meshed together at perhaps the most flexible BMP imaginable.

foundational · Post by **foundational** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:16 pm

if u ask me its all uk underground. nuff said.

jolly wailer · Post by **jolly wailer** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:32 pm

bandshell wrote:therefore dubstep is not a genre to me.

the center of the universe must be somewhere in leeds then as well?

bandshell · Post by **bandshell** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:33 pm

nope

shredexx · Post by **shredexx** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:37 pm

Blackdown wrote:
Surface_Tension wrote:Burial also isn't making Dubstep.
you've created quite an impressive volume of hot air in the 1917 times you've posted since last September but this truly takes the biscuit.

if Burial isn't dubstep I want nothing more to do with the genre.

zing.

pete · Post by **pete** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:47 pm

Surface_Tension wrote:Burial also isn't making Dubstep.

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