So, is Ableton inferior to other DAWS?

j-sh · Post by **j-sh** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 11:09 am

16bit use ableton

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faun2500 · Post by **faun2500** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 11:28 am

JBlake wrote:
I had no second thoughts about whether to learn another DAW. I just got on with it and now I know how to create a finished track.

Thats it init. you pick one you like the look of and does what you want and you get on with it.

Ableton is an amazing bit of kit, but it couldn't replace my cubase.

c03 · Post by **c03** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 1:26 pm

RSD uses ableton -

"What equipment were you producing with during the early Smith & Mighty days and how does this compare to what you are using now?

He he! The first sampler we had was a Yamaha kind of toy thing with a plastic mic on a coily wire; it had 3 seconds sampling time which we thought was fkn marvellous!! Eventually we went for a 24 track mixing desk, 16 track tape recorder, Cubase sequencer on Atari, S1000 sampler, 808, 909, SH101 etc… Now I make everything mainly within Ableton. One of the main advantages for me of a computer based studio (apart from space saving) is that you get total recall, which means you can work on many tunes without losing the previous tune’s set-up. I do miss that tape ‘sound’ sometimes though."

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jah know · Post by **jah know** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 4:34 pm

I'd say Ableton has it all. I've used the bulk of the DAWs out there and none of em have what Live has and that's SESSION MODE!

I'd take on any user of any other DAW head to head in a 'who can make the most in the shortest amount of time.' battle. And yes, this means a finished 'GOOD' production, not some twinky plastic pre set BS that most fl8 users are so proud of.

There's no way in heylll a Cubase or Logic user could keep up the flow in a true improv session that way.

+ look at the Live 8 suite demo. There's functions in 8 that'll just about blow a man's mind. MAX for live! Groove shifting, many more preset midi plugin maps, online file swapping for live users...

Other DAWs better try and keep up.

baydestrian · Post by **baydestrian** » Wed Mar 25, 2009 12:13 am

Terekete wrote: it's never about the DAW and always about the user.

WERD...

Ableton is sick if you know how to use it, and it is cake t rewire to Reason and Logic.

The new audio engine is actually very good, and I am sure the Live 8 will be even better.

I think it's the most user friendly and intuitive DAW out there. The only thing that it lacks is proper mastering plug-in's. That's why rewiring to Logic can be so useful. If you don't have Logic, just acquire some decent mastering plug-in's, PSP's, WAV's Bundle, ect.

The bottom line is, Ableton is only going to be what you make it. I think it gets a bad rap sometimes because people don't really use it to it's full potential, or quickly dismiss it as just a sequencing instrument without actually using it. I would recommend taking some of their tutorials, reding the book, and beefing up your plug-in library....

abZ · Post by **abZ** » Wed Mar 25, 2009 12:29 am

baydestrian wrote:Terekete wrote: it's never about the DAW and always about the user.

WERD...

Ableton is sick if you know how to use it, and it is cake t rewire to Reason and Logic.

The new audio engine is actually very good, and I am sure the Live 8 will be even better.

I think it's the most user friendly and intuitive DAW out there. The only thing that it lacks is proper mastering plug-in's. That's why rewiring to Logic can be so useful. If you don't have Logic, just acquire some decent mastering plug-in's, PSP's, WAV's Bundle, ect.

The bottom line is, Ableton is only going to be what you make it. I think it gets a bad rap sometimes because people don't really use it to it's full potential, or quickly dismiss it as just a sequencing instrument without actually using it. I would recommend taking some of their tutorials, reding the book, and beefing up your plug-in library....

Mastering your own stuff is really not the important if you are actually releasing tunes. Even if you not and you have to do it yourself, less is more. I spend about 20 minutes with Sound Forge and wav's plug ins and it's pretty much sorted out. You should need much if your mix down is proper.

I am thinking about seeing of OSX will work on my pc. See what the fuss with Logic is about. I am not really buying that Ableton's sound engine is inferior in some way. I only started using it with version 7 tho. Maybe they fixed some issues with recent builds?

fiziks · Post by **fiziks** » Wed Mar 25, 2009 5:06 pm

abZ wrote:
I am thinking about seeing of OSX will work on my pc. See what the fuss with Logic is about.

awww shit!!

contakt321 · Post by **contakt321** » Wed Mar 25, 2009 9:07 pm

I switched to Ableton from the MPC2000 (and only really having experience w/ ProTools) and I will admit, in many ways I found it tough - it was almost too intuitive.

Things in Ableton are really simple, it's designed to have a quick workflow, and it's quite backwards from most other programs, as there is no extensive menus, sub menus, etc. It's very drag and drop, easy to copy and paste, lots of powerful functions w/ rightclicking. Underneath all of this simplicity and quickness is a very complex program that can do anything you want, and nearly any way you want. You can work in audio, midi, both, you can convert either way, etc.

It took me about a month of watching youtube vids and the built in tutorials to get my mind out of MPC mode and get into - wow, I didn't know it could be this easy to make music mode.

Since then, it's only gotten easier and easier.

Second to the amazingly fast workflow, my favorite thing is that there are always 5 different ways to do the same thing in Ableton.

abZ · Post by **abZ** » Wed Mar 25, 2009 9:17 pm

contakt321 wrote:I switched to Ableton from the MPC2000 (and only really having experience w/ ProTools) and I will admit, in many ways I found it tough - it was almost too intuitive.

Things in Ableton are really simple, it's designed to have a quick workflow, and it's quite backwards from most other programs, as there is no extensive menus, sub menus, etc. It's very drag and drop, easy to copy and paste, lots of powerful functions w/ rightclicking. Underneath all of this simplicity and quickness is a very complex program that can do anything you want, and nearly any way you want. You can work in audio, midi, both, you can convert either way, etc.

It took me about a month of watching youtube vids and the built in tutorials to get my mind out of MPC mode and get into - wow, I didn't know it could be this easy to make music mode.

Since then, it's only gotten easier and easier.

Second to the amazingly fast workflow, my favorite thing is that there are always 5 different ways to do the same thing in Ableton.

Yeah too intuitive! That is what I say too for people that have trouble with it. It's like some peoples mind won't let them believe something should be as easy as click and drag. I was pretty shocked myself coming from Reason. I didn't think I would be able to get the quick workflow on any other app. Wrong. I was quicker with Live in no time at all.

abZ · Post by **abZ** » Wed Mar 25, 2009 9:19 pm

fiziks wrote:
abZ wrote:
I am thinking about seeing of OSX will work on my pc. See what the fuss with Logic is about.

awww shit!!

Not a shock I told you that I while back. I am a little lazy when it comes to sorting out computers tho. I have one I am building for my wifes aunt right now. Gotta get an OS on it before I do anything with mine.

contakt321 · Post by **contakt321** » Wed Mar 25, 2009 9:22 pm

Capital North wrote:^^Interesting...I'm downloading the demo and trying it out tonite. Just saw the vid for 8....looks nuts

Definitely run through the built in tutorials in Live, they take you through a lot of basics in a step by step way that shows you the basics.

Also, check out some of the Ableton Inc videos about their instruments to get an idea of what they are capable of and what makes them special (like Operator and Drumracks).

Gustavo Bravettis videos are really great too.

There are a ton - I found it helpful, but it could also be because I was coming from hardware. That and just experiment - it truly is stupefying how simple things are in Ableton that take so much work elsewhere.

dynamat · Post by **dynamat** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:09 pm

Ableton defeats all

thinking · Post by **thinking** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 6:24 pm

TeReKeTe wrote:it's never about the DAW and always about the user.

seriously! If you can't actually tell why your tunes don't sound as good as someone who is a professional musician, then you don't need to worry about the differences in DAWs.

wave o · Post by **wave o** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:19 pm

So, is Ableton inferior to other DAWS?

No.

So, is Ableton inferior to other DAWS?

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