CCTV to be Shut Down During G20 Summit

[alien pimp]

so now people that work in finance or banks are all greedy? fucking ridiculous. anyone who says that doesn't know the first fucking thing about the global financial system or the good that it does everyday.

lemme show you something even more ridiculous that proves the sickness is deep:
http://www.dabagirls.com/

[tr0tsky]

i see, you focus only when writing crap about people and even then you can't do it properly...

That's not true. I also focus when I'm having a meaningful conversation with people that make sense. I've managed to do so with Magma, DanRev, Surface_T and countless other people on here.

See the threads on the Gaza demonstrations for evidence. We managed to discuss what was arguably the most emotive subject at that time without one person calling anyone a Hitler-worshipper or lackly of the Zionist state.


I can't be arsed to get drawn out into this, alien. You win.

Sang:

The reason that I mention a general strike was that calling for it was the policy of the RCP (of which the author was discussing) and nearly all other groups to the left of the Labour Party and some of the factions within it. Their arguement was that the strike wasn't a dispute over jobs or terms and conditions, but was a full-frontal assult on the working class by Conservative Party. It's sort of implied here:

the leaders of the trade union movement and the Labour Party, along with liberal voices such as the Guardian, equivocated, and insisted it must be treated as a normal industrial dispute

[metalboxproducts]

whoops.

[kins83]

so now people that work in finance or banks are all greedy? fucking ridiculous. anyone who says that doesn't know the first fucking thing about the global financial system or the good that it does everyday.

lemme show you something even more ridiculous that proves the sickness is deep:
http://www.dabagirls.com/

What's the relevance of that? Just cos it has banking in the title and it isn't a positive thing, you've decided to post it as evidence of the financial system being bad?

[dr ddd]

i quite fancy a bit of dubstep

[tr0tsky]

No, Dr DDD.

This is serious business for serious people.

[dr ddd]

then all relevant "serious" people should treat it that way.

take the childish name calling, irrelevant personal and music insults, or dismissive attitudes to pm

[magma]

Meh, I don't think it's going to happen in this thread. We almost had the chance of a decent conversation until the sole purpose of the thread became getting alien pimp to answer a question he doesn't want to/can't answer.

Probably best to just walk away. I can't be arsed to carry on with it anyway.

[willis]

so now people that work in finance or banks are all greedy? fucking ridiculous. anyone who says that doesn't know the first fucking thing about the global financial system or the good that it does everyday.

and what good would that be?

[spooKs]

Whatchoo talkin bout Willis?

[kins83]

so now people that work in finance or banks are all greedy? fucking ridiculous. anyone who says that doesn't know the first fucking thing about the global financial system or the good that it does everyday.

and what good would that be?

-Providing somewhere to put your money, other than your mattress, and actually giving you some extra money in return.

-Providing you with the means to borrow money for a car or a house or whatever. And what they lend to you is based on what you tell them, so that appropriate levels of lending can be ensured.

-Providing the infrastructure that allows payment to get from your account to someone elses, whether for personal or business reasons, anywhere in the world in a matter of days. So therefore all internet transactions, payments for bandwidth that allow forums to continue, etc...

-Providing jobs for thousands upon thousands of people.

I could list more but I really can't be arsed. If you think about it, most stuff in your life is touched by banking and its wonderful employees.

[alien pimp]

We almost had the chance of a decent conversation until the sole purpose of the thread became getting alien pimp to answer a question that we weren't even interested about, because it means to read stuff

first decent thing you said, too bad it was followed by a lie, fixed now
if YOU would have any bit of idea what are you talking about you wouldn't care about myself and you could've dismiss my wrong ideas, but now your only option is to mess up with the people themselves

[magma]

first decent thing you said, too bad it was followed by a lie, fixed now
if YOU would have any bit of idea what are you talking about you wouldn't care about myself and you could've dismiss my wrong ideas, but now your only option is to mess up with the people themselves

Yawn.

I've read all your links and told you why each of them doesn't explain your point of view - they all require you to have already made up your mind. I wanted to know how you made up your mind. That's how grown ups explain their opinions.

Anyway, unless you manage to reply answering the question we've been asking you for several pages - "Why is banking so inherently bad that it must be scrapped and not fixed?" - then I won't reply again (of course, I will... everyone who writes this on the internet ends up contradicting it).

I don't really care that much about your ideas as I'm fairly sure they're wrong (hence you not being able to explain them!) - I'd just expect someone with such enthusiastically held opinions (I mean, you've kept this argument going for AGES - you must really care!) to be able to back them up or at least explain how they got to them.

Night night, sweety.
x

[elbe]

so now people that work in finance or banks are all greedy? fucking ridiculous. anyone who says that doesn't know the first fucking thing about the global financial system or the good that it does everyday.

and what good would that be?

-Providing somewhere to put your money, other than your mattress, and actually giving you some extra money in return.oh yeah, here take my money, make loads of money from it and give me almost nothing in return. Infact, why not just act as if it isn't my money at all

-Providing you with the means to borrow money for a car or a house or whatever. And what they lend to you is based on what you tell them, so that appropriate levels of lending can be ensured. you will be lucky to get lent money atm, and appropriate levels, I think not, basis for this crash, stupid lending

-Providing the infrastructure that allows payment to get from your account to someone elses, whether for personal or business reasons, anywhere in the world in a matter of days. So therefore all internet transactions, payments for bandwidth that allow forums to continue, etc...ummm, blank on this one

-Providing jobs for thousands upon thousands of people. though now thousands are loosing money because the banks arn't lending
.

but I agree, it is not just the banks fault, and the majority of people that work for banks are not stnuc, though Kins definatly is.

[alien pimp]

I've read all your links and told you why each of them doesn't explain your point of view - they all require you to have already made up your mind. I wanted to know how you made up your mind. That's how grown ups explain their opinions.

there is no connection between truth and anything else you mentioned in your post. there's no connection with anything actually

i posted you a fraction of the banking system history that proves banks never cared about people, just about maximizing profit at any and anyone's expense

this how i made up my mind, and it was obvious

[magma]

so now people that work in finance or banks are all greedy? fucking ridiculous. anyone who says that doesn't know the first fucking thing about the global financial system or the good that it does everyday.

and what good would that be?

-Providing somewhere to put your money, other than your mattress, and actually giving you some extra money in return.oh yeah, here take my money, make loads of money from it and give me almost nothing in return. Infact, why not just act as if it isn't my money at all

-Providing you with the means to borrow money for a car or a house or whatever. And what they lend to you is based on what you tell them, so that appropriate levels of lending can be ensured. you will be lucky to get lent money atm, and appropriate levels, I think not, basis for this crash, stupid lending

-Providing the infrastructure that allows payment to get from your account to someone elses, whether for personal or business reasons, anywhere in the world in a matter of days. So therefore all internet transactions, payments for bandwidth that allow forums to continue, etc...ummm, blank on this one

-Providing jobs for thousands upon thousands of people. though now thousands are loosing money because the banks arn't lending
.

but I agree, it is not just the banks fault, and the majority of people that work for banks are not stnuc, though Kins definatly is.

I think that's the main point to all this really - Banks, if regulated properly, provide essential services to society. They let us put our money somewhere that is safer than putting it under our beds, they allow us to make payments to each other without having to carry around large amounts of stealable cash and they offer loans to people who are buying large items (houses, cars etc) or starting businesses.

The problem we have right now is that they haven't been regulated properly. Human greed has been allowed to run wild and we're left with a bit of a farce. What's needed isn't a scrapping of "banking" - it's the introduction of proper regulation so that they are forced to act much more in society's favour rather than just their own.

It also needs noting that the laissez faire myth that "What's good for the banks is good for society" isn't necessarily true. Profit isn't necessarily enough justification for a company or a bank's actions - although in a properly structured economy it may be a good indicator of it.

I wouldn't like to be misunderstood in any of this and for people to think I am sticking up for the current practises of banks and the practises of, particularly, the last 20 or so years.... I just think it's incredibly short sighted to cast the idea of banking off as "bad".

It's not bad, it's just being allowed to be done badly.

[kins83]

Touché sir, touché.

And I have to agree with you on all points really ('cept maybe the fact that I'm a tnuc ). Lots has gone wrong with the banking system, (I'm not gonna get into pointing the finger again) and yes, it has cost some people dearly. But I still believe that having banks is better than having none.

Edit: Basically what Magma said.

[alien pimp]

how long is the banking history, when in that history did they restraint from practices that hurt the people and why in all this period people never managed to control their actions but rather get controlled by them?

when in the banking history, longer than the communism history for example, did they prove they are any different from other social utopias like communism or democracy?

that's how i made up my mind

[magma]

how long is the banking history, when in that history did they restraint from practices that hurt the people and why in all this period people never managed to control their actions but rather get controlled by them?

when in the banking history, longer than the communism history for example, did they prove they are any different from other social utopias like communism or democracy

that's how i made up my mind

The banking world doesn't define a "utopia". It's a tool of society, not society itself. Society must learn to use banking and the search for profit for it's own benefits rather than be used by bankers for their own benefits. This will be achieved through effective legislation of banking practises.

Do you really want to keep all your cash under your mattress?

[tr0tsky]

I was going to write something extremely thoughtful but I can't be arsed so I'll just represent what I want to say using a picture.

Magma, your days are numbered.