(re: skream - "traitor") -- much ado about offbeat

mudda · Post by **mudda** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 3:48 pm

LOL @ 'first big bass wibble wobble' and 'first biggo bass'. A creative use of words!

superisk · Post by **superisk** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:08 pm

rekall wrote:microcosm

Baffled

joseph-j · Post by **joseph-j** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:14 pm

Superisk wrote:
rekall wrote:microcosm
Baffled

A small, representative system having analogies to a larger system in constitution, configuration, or development.

See? Rekall isn't the only one who can be wordy.

rekall · Post by **rekall** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:38 pm

occupational hazard; former college paper editor / writer / columnist, and oh yeah, programmer since age 11 (it's all grammar - music, too).

distinction · Post by **distinction** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 9:30 pm

Button Stop Deck. 1....

Spin Back Deck. 1...

Fader Across To Deck. 2...

Button Start Deck. 2...

juliun_c90 · Post by **juliun_c90** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 9:56 pm

Ah look we got a responce....

you're certainly putting the 'ponce' into responce.

corpsey · Post by **corpsey** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 9:59 pm

Just burn the vinyl now

ufo over easy · Post by **ufo over easy** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 12:01 am

If you can count to four this tune is as easy to mix as any other skream track..

rekall · Post by **rekall** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 12:13 am

i was going on 20 hours awake w/ no sleep when i was sorting it out so you could say my brain was open to suggestion and there was no clear answer. the tune becomes 'obvious' if you pay attention only to the clap-snare and figure the 'one' backwards from there. or just wait and cue on the snare. additionally the percussion (hi hats and whatnot) right after the lfo sweep in the intro are intentionally (and quite nicely) misleading. anyway, i've over-explained my analysis already so i'll stop. i'm not an idiot i just question everything by default.

or you can just do what distinction suggests

ufo over easy · Post by **ufo over easy** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 12:17 am

Or you can just count the number of beats in a bar and mix it.

It's in 4/4 time, the intro has an even number of bars, you can just mix it normally man. Count...

I do it 25 minutes into this set if you want proof

http://www.lowerdepths.com/mixes/benufo ... degree.php

rekall · Post by **rekall** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 1:24 am

killers about vs. traitor
cued three different ways

[1] -- using the first very first hi hat as the cue point
http://actualmusic.com/killersabouttraitor1.mp3

[2] -- using the very first bass drop as the cue point (i like the upbeat/downbeat shuffle this does)
http://actualmusic.com/killersabouttraitor2.mp3

[3] -- cueing on and matching both snares (sounds wrong if you ask me)
http://actualmusic.com/killersabouttraitor3.mp3

p.s. ben ufo -- how you done it in your mix sounds a bit like how i did it in [2].
there is no right/wrong way! only good/bad. ([3] in this case is bad.)

grime · Post by **grime** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 2:55 am

im actually having trouble working out where to drop the second track of my Brazillian rain forest cd vol 2.....is it at the first bird chirp or and the baboon howl?

london zoo have offered no definitive answers

rekall · Post by **rekall** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 3:00 am

^ you've got jokes!

lmao

seebs2000 · Post by **seebs2000** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 3:08 am

grime wrote:im actually having trouble working out where to drop the second track of my Brazillian rain forest cd vol 2.....is it at the first bird chirp or and the baboon howl?

london zoo have offered no definitive answers

The problem here is you're mixing off the CD. If you buy the vinyl, you'll find the parakeet's call is a good point to drop the riddim.

rekall · Post by **rekall** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 3:10 am

semi-related: i had a hell of a time finding a good place to layer kraftwerk's "uranium" over a techno tune by nick wilson.

http://actualmusic.com/rekall_--_differential.txt
http://actualmusic.com/rekall_--_differential.mp3

ufo over easy · Post by **ufo over easy** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 1:39 pm

rekall wrote:killers about vs. traitor
cued three different ways

[1] -- using the first very first hi hat as the cue point
http://actualmusic.com/killersabouttraitor1.mp3

[2] -- using the very first bass drop as the cue point (i like the upbeat/downbeat shuffle this does)
http://actualmusic.com/killersabouttraitor2.mp3

[3] -- cueing on and matching both snares (sounds wrong if you ask me)
http://actualmusic.com/killersabouttraitor3.mp3

p.s. ben ufo -- how you done it in your mix sounds a bit like how i did it in [2].
there is no right/wrong way! only good/bad. ([3] in this case is bad.)

No, how you did it in [1] and [3] are the right ways, and that's how I did it in my mix. If you mix on any other beat of the bar you'll be thrown off during the drop.

In [2] you're mixing from the second beat of the bar instead of the first, and it sounds horrible. Can't you hear that melody synth line is out of time?

In both one and three you're mixing from the first beat of the bar, only you're concentrating more on where you're starting with the beats which is a huge mistake. Counting from the first hi hat and matching the snares amounts to the same thing in this case dude, but mixing like that is dangerous. It encourages lazyness. The only reason matching the snares works in this case is that the snare on both Traitor and Killers About lands on the fourth beat of the bar. It sounds like you don't understand the concept of tunes in 4/4, as what you're finding difficult is identifying the first beat of the bar. I'd recommend learning some music theory, it'll make things a lot easier

rekall · Post by **rekall** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 2:09 pm

mixing off the hi hat encouraging laziness?
what the?

as for learning music theory i had a full year of it in school, played sax for a year, clarinet for two, and played bass with my band, covers and originals for two summers, and producing since '94 starting with .mod .mtm .xm trackers. i've also been on decks for five years.

you might say i've reached the point where i don't give a fuck and down to try anything, mix any genre with any other as long as i'm amused by it and strangers comment kindly in public and online as to what i'm doing.

and pointing out that the first snare lands on the 4th beat of the bar and not the 3rd just affirms my point that the tune is not utterly standard and thus open to interpretation. one man's "out of time" is another man's "pleasant syncopation."

ufo over easy · Post by **ufo over easy** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 2:21 pm

rekall wrote:one man's "out of time" is another man's "pleasant syncopation."

Until the tune drops a beat early and everything's messed up

You did ask for people opinions dude.

rekall · Post by **rekall** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 2:24 pm

UFO over easy wrote:
rekall wrote:one man's "out of time" is another man's "pleasant syncopation."
Until the tune drops a beat early and everything's messed up

You did ask for people opinions dude.

actually no where did i ask, i started this as more of a monologue.
but thanks just the same for the comments.
(no thanks for the personal attacks suggesting along the lines that i'm just a noob.)

juliun_c90 · Post by **juliun_c90** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 2:29 pm

(no thanks for the personal attacks suggesting along the lines that i'm just a noob.)

yeah- like its not entirely normal to devote this much time and effort to a subject like this.

rack off noob-bashers.

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