DUBSTEP LOSING INTEREST...

musty dust · Post by **musty dust** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:28 pm

Recently I haven’t been feeling the current dubstep coming out now, as I was a year or two ago. A while back I would regularly get excited about new records coming out but theses days it doesn’t happen so much. It seems now there is a standard formula that many people have started to push rather than a year or two ago when people where trying out a whole range of concepts and new ideas with in the tunes. It seems that the development in ideas has kind of slowed down? If that makes sense?

Of course there are exceptions to the rule and there are a few artists out there pushing new ideas and sounds but just not as many as a while back.

Would be interested to see what people think if you agree with me or not I would be interested to hear your views…

or recomend me some artists you feel have been pushing ideas forward.

Peace.

digital · Post by **digital** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:37 pm

Are you mad!?

I couldn't disagree with you more. I think the scene is in a good place right about now with more producers coming through with different and distinctive sounds and more dj's that offer different styles in their sets. The atmosphere and vibe at the nights I attend is still sick (N-TYPE @ fwd 2 weeks ago was off the hook) and its attracting interest and appreciation from lots of different people.

It does depend on where you go and who you see tho.

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:45 pm

Know what you mean, probably buying about 1 in 5 or less of the stuff that's coming out at the moment - not hearing too much that makes me think things are still moving onwards. Think there's still some good stuff out there, but labels need to start pushing different sounds before it all becomes half-step, wobble-bass, dub vocal cliches.

Wonder if it's got something to do with the influx of dnb producers. I get the idea that as that scene worked towards perfecting a well-worn formula, that certain "definitive" dubstepisms are maybe gonna go the same way resulting in essentially variations of music that may already have been done to death.

Mind you Left Leg Out/Blue Notes has kind of renewed my faith in hearing the big guns pushing the style outwards and in new directions. Still quite a few folk doing new styles, but the labels/fans have to get behind them if we're to avoid dubstep 101 business.

A lot of stuff that's coming out at the moment seems to be way too ploddy to really enjoy so props to all the producers doing something different. Said it before, but I think there's more variety from the producers on here than signed artists at the moment.

elgato · Post by **elgato** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:56 pm

1 in 5 aint that bad like!

for me, it aint what it was, but it was never going to maintain what it was to me for too long, but im perfectly happy picking up the phenomenal music that is still coming out of the scene, and ignoring the rest. and the producers i hear coming through (from the likes of dynamix's mixes) i think there will be plenty of variety for a good while yet

ufo over easy · Post by **ufo over easy** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 5:04 pm

1 in 5 is pretty phenomenal for any genre still..

I think as far as releases goes, we're fine at the moment. But for me that's mainly because most of the tunes coming out are the best of the bunch that get cained on dub, and most are a year old or so.

I'm definitely less interested in a lot of dubplate material than I was, but that's just because there's more being made - I can afford to be pickier. There's just as much good stuff, there's just more filler. Only natural as a genre moves forward.

There's a hell of a lot of stuff we don't hear out as well.. Cyrus' set at Transmission the other day was so exciting just because there was so much awesome stuff I'd never heard before, a lot of it produced by him.

Bit of a ramble that.

r33lc4sh · Post by **r33lc4sh** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 5:27 pm

Shonky wrote:there's more variety from the producers on here than signed artists at the moment.

random trio · Post by **random trio** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 5:37 pm

UFO over easy wrote:

There's a hell of a lot of stuff we don't hear out as well.. Cyrus' set at Transmission the other day was so exciting just because there was so much awesome stuff I'd never heard before, a lot of it produced by him.

Bit of a ramble that.

big up , glad u enjoyed the set.

blackdown · Post by **blackdown** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 5:44 pm

Shonky wrote: labels need to start pushing different sounds before it all becomes half-step, wobble-bass, dub vocal cliches.

OTM. people need to feel out their own styles not follow fashion. i've said it until i'm blue in the face, dubstep does not have to = dub samples + wobbly halfstep. If you look at all the real innovators in this scene - distance, loefah, mala, kode, burial etc - they lead and not follow.

pete_bubonic · Post by **pete_bubonic** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 5:44 pm

Crazy talk in my honest opinion. Hearing the newest beats from Elemental, Protocol X, HENCH, Pinch, Benga and DMZ I have no doubt things are going to keep moving onwards and upwards. I for one am thoroughly excited.

I can only really recommend that, eventhough a source like barefiles and with nights popping up all over, it may all get a bit rinsed and standard. So maybe moderation of your listening intake? This obviously applies to all genres.

Jubz · Post by **Jubz** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 5:47 pm

Personally I still find this music exciting, of course there is no way of retaining that honeymoon period feeling, but there is still so much that can be done within the framework and even outside. Producers are still pushing the boundaries, experimenting, making good music, I have faith in the producers to not stagnate. No-one is afraid of trying different stuff because anything goes, there are no unwritten rules that you cant have such and such an influence because its too gay etc, if it sounds good people like it. Im tired of people moaning about the wobble, go out skank to it, have some fun, its been a matter of months for this particular trend and people are gwarning like its been years, just enjoy it and stop fucking analysing shit so much. ITs
just the beginning, not the end!

fushimi · Post by **fushimi** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 5:48 pm

I've found that in the last month or two there's been so many releases, mixes and radio shows that if you try to take them all in you end up listening to dubstep all day every day. I took a little break this past weekend, listened to some Autechre, a bit of Junior Boys, a pinch of Abstrackt Keal Agram and a cheeky bit of:

Come back with ears a little fresher I reckon. Bit I think dubstep's come to the point where you can't take everything in, leading inevitably to the scene splintering into different subgenres as people devote their listening time solely to the subset of dubstep that they're into.

grievous_angel · Post by **grievous_angel** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 5:49 pm

After four months of the richest, most varied, highest volume, and highest quality dubstep releases in the history of the genre, with a slew of new labels, a bubbling second tier of artists comng through (Caspa, Headhunter etc) and a raft of career-best releases from the premier league, clearly the only response is to bemoan the paucity of new ideas...

Not that I think dubstep is beyond criticism. There's a growing halfstep orthodoxy which is dulling the appetite (see how Skream and Digital Mystikz have subverted that trope). There's a lot of tunes - mainly on CDR at the moment - that fail to pull off the atonal-and-abstract-yet-groovy trick. And there still aren't enough vocal tunes, especially female vocal tunes, even though they're the ones that tend to make DMZ blow up. I guess it's a shame they're so expensive to do as a full release.

So yes, I want more garage flavour, more swing, more 4x4 steppers and more - lots more - reggae / dubstep cross over tunes. Well I would, wouldn't I - and you never know, Hijak's brilliant Slaughter might yet get a release.

But even accepting all that, dubstep has to be the highest quality of release genre in the whole world. It's still extraordinary.

fushimi · Post by **fushimi** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 5:50 pm

pete bubonic wrote:. So maybe moderation of your listening intake? This obviously applies to all genres.

I concur.

unlikely · Post by **unlikely** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 5:58 pm

yeah i feel like this sometimes but then i remember that when i was getting REALLY excited about it 3 years ago the genre had hardly stabilised at all and everything was completely new, that can't keep happening by the very nature of things, and people who hear it for the first time often still have the same enthusiasm i did. In short I've heard too much dubstep, its not that its getting stale in general.

Obviously thee is a lot of bassline sound system tunage happening at the moment, but it was only a little while ago when everyone was worried it was all gonna go digidub, and not long before that we were all worried about it just turning into an offshoot of breaks. As long as we keep worrying, it will keep moving on, most of the time when a genre stagnates it is because the inner circle of producers decide to just be lazy and cash in, which is not too much of a danger with the people involved in dubstep. There's still a lot of new sounds comin through. look at geiom, darkstar, juju etc

musty dust · Post by **musty dust** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 6:10 pm

labels need to start pushing different sounds before it all becomes half-step, wobble-bass, dub vocal cliches.

spot on

of course there is no way of retaining that honeymoon period feeling, but there is still so much that can be done within the framework and even outside.

yeah maybe its the honeymoon period of "oh my god what the fuck is this music" has gone. i also defantly agree with you that there is lot that people can be done with the framework and outside of it.

Fushimi and pete bubonic yeah i think having a brake is a good idea i think i have O.Ded on dubstep a bit...

I want more garage flavour, more swing, more 4x4 steppers and more - lots more - reggae / dubstep cross over tunes. Well I would, wouldn't I - and you never know, Hijak's brilliant Slaughter might yet get a release.

yes please!

alot of nice views and ideas in this thread already.

eskay · Post by **eskay** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 6:45 pm

In the early days there were very few releases so good tracks (any tracks!), really stood out.

Now there are loads of great tracks released every week, so we are spoilt! It then becomes an issue of what can I afford, what have I heard that I like etc. There are so many tunes coming out that the market is almost being saturated. I know I can only afford to buy a fraction of the tunes I wouild like and that is kind of a turn off (oddly), it is difficult to keep up with it all.

BUT I am not complaining, keep it coming.

I agree that there are some tracks from the forum producers that are way ahead of some released material. Pressing Issues is going some way to address this.

sek [espionage] · Post by **sek [espionage]** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 6:49 pm

musty dust wrote:Recently I haven’t been feeling the current dubstep coming out now, as I was a year or two ago. A while back I would regularly get excited about new records coming out but theses days it doesn’t happen so much. It seems now there is a standard formula that many people have started to push rather than a year or two ago when people where trying out a whole range of concepts and new ideas with in the tunes. It seems that the development in ideas has kind of slowed down? If that makes sense?

sucks to be you

boomnoise · Post by **boomnoise** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 6:55 pm

i think dubstep faces a number of problems going forward, not least the fact that this year it has solidified into a genre with sonic signifiers and formula. for me, in essence, dubstep should be anti-formula - the only real obligatory constituent being sub-bass - the spine on top of which producers should flesh out with varied and innovative ideas.

innovate. never imitate.

toxin · Post by **toxin** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 7:10 pm

boomnoise wrote: innovate. never imitate.

grievous_angel · Post by **grievous_angel** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 7:13 pm

boomnoise wrote:innovate. never imitate.

Nah mate - fake it til you make it

Production wise, trying to copy something exactly can be a very good way of creating something new...

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