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shonky · Post by **shonky** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 3:16 pm

The ones that do get censored are generally the more interesting ones it has to be said. Remember seeing 9 pages devoted to some 12" a while back and thought that might be somewhat of a waste of time reading. How many pages of sycophancy do we need here? 9 pages of "I like this tune" FFS. A bit of a debate's generally a far better purpose to this sort of forum

elgato · Post by **elgato** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:04 pm

ive got a lot of appreciation for what the mods do... putting up stickies for nights and good causes and suchlike, thats heavy, but i must say i was brewing to see a number of threads shut down recently

if we want a place just to post information then it needs a new name, cos a forum that is not. i like the concept of forums very much, and my idea of the ideal does not include that kind of moderation. if someone is being overtly offensive then shut it down, but for "whining"?! come on

if all that was being said was i want X, dubstep is not X, then thats weak, and boring, not really worth reading or replying to. but it doesnt need shuttting down surely? and most discussion on here that has been censored has been more than that

on the other point, its so true, where the fuck have the blogs gone. its so weak. it almost drives me to give it a crack myself, but it needs a movement, so people can work off of one another, and have inter-blog dialogue. it also takes time. hopefully paul autonomic and boomnoise will get something rolling, theyre no doubt two of the most interesting and articulate writers around the scene

i hate the ppl who made gutterbreakz want to leave

ramadanman · Post by **ramadanman** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:11 pm

elgato wrote: on the other point, its so true, where the fuck have the blogs gone. its so weak. it almost drives me to give it a crack myself, but it needs a movement, so people can work off of one another, and have inter-blog dialogue. it also takes time. hopefully paul autonomic and boomnoise will get something rolling, theyre no doubt two of the most interesting and articulate writers around the scene

i hate the ppl who made gutterbreakz want to leave

out of interest, what do you feel the purpose of these blogs is / what do you enjoy about them?

elgato · Post by **elgato** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:13 pm

ok, here are some thoughts on that

i enjoy reading well written music journalism, its a pleasure to me in a similar way that music is in some sense - i enjoy thinking...exercising the mind, and exposing it to new ways of approaching things. good writing can stimulate your own creative thinking, which can be expressed either via the comments box or on forums, and thus can present a healthy and enjoyable way to relate to other people and achieve mutual satisfaction

but i do also think that its healthy for a scene to have intelligent people with a talent for analysis and insight to discuss music, and put it in a historical/sociological context, it not only enriches the experience of listening but potentially presents guidance to musicians... one of the most important aspects to the traditional study of the arts is crit, and while i think theres a big debate there, i think high quality constructive criticism can definately be helpful in pushing a scene in a positive direction

moderator · Post by **moderator** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:10 pm

Things get locked and moved temporarily.

It's in very very rare situations that a thread get's deleted outright.
The kode 9 thread was locked down out of respect for kode 9, as it had gone 9 pages without a reply by him or from someone in his camp.
The Losing Interest in Dubstep thread was moved temporarily.
BOTH threads will be returned to the forum soon.

This forum is about Music first. Drama, politics, and fireworks have always been second. From day one it's been that way. Critique is supported 100% as long as it's well thought out and not done out of a crusade for attention.

Please remember that this forum is now comprised of an overwhemingly new crowd of heads that haven't been into the music from day one. Therefore the topics we moderate, are considering the larger picture of this place being a good source of information, as well as being a place to critique. If you knew zero about the scene and are registering to the dubstep forum for the first time, how does it look to have a "Losing Interest In Dubstep" 9 page thread right at the top of the main forum?
This is not trying to "purify" or "evangelize" dubstep, which is a hilarious idea. This is a case of being diplomatic.

We're trying our best to run the middle of the road between positivity and negativity. Of course, it's impossible to please everyone, but we're trying to do the best we can.

If you think the moderation is heavy here, I suggest you go take a look at any of the the other underground forum's out there. We do next to no moderating on here at all, so obviously the things we do moderate are going to be put into a microscope by people.

Thanks,
Moderator

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:37 pm

I understand your point, but if someone's taken the time to listen to the music, got interested enough to register and then they do see that topic, if it's still new to them I can't imagine them being pissed off at it, more that it shows that the scene isn't just providing a united front for the sake of appearances. It's a pretty sorry state of affairs if you like something and then decide not to like it because some more or less anonymous poster isn't feeling it.

I agree about the Kode 9 thing though. He's been in this since the beginning and if it wasn't for Hyperdub (the website), I'd probably have not found out about half the dark garage/early dubstep tunes that got me into this. If it's just hitting him up for intellectualising his music, that's a real shame. I think his tunes will be classics in years to come if there's any justice.

moderator · Post by **moderator** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:02 pm

Shonky wrote:if someone's taken the time to listen to the music, got interested enough to register and then they do see that topic, if it's still new to them I can't imagine them being pissed off at it, more that it shows that the scene isn't just providing a united front for the sake of appearances.

There are a large amount of people that've joined up here, saying that this is the first forum they've ever registered to, specifically because they love the music so much. We have to address these people, as well as keeping the most forum saavy person happy as well. Contrary to what you might think, there are many people that use this forum for information and not neverending arguing.

Moderator

bedward · Post by **bedward** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:07 pm

all that the "losing interest" thread had wrong with it was the title.
IMHO.
it was not a good soundbite for tourists to encounter.
but i thought most of the discussion in there was pretty well self-moderated. good ratio of civilised banter to kneejerk nonsense.
for an internet forum.
a bit meandering, maybe, but an interesting to-and-fro of ideas, nonetheless.
despite the title, not much moaning really, a lot of neutrality and good representation from the optimists and take-it-as-it-comes advocaters.

found it quite disconcerting to see that censored, had it got aggy in the last day or so?
cos i can totally understand removing a thread that involves personal baiting, spurious rudeness and that sort of thing.

if not that, then it seems quite firmly indicated that open-minded discussion is not a priority here.
this forum must be for promotional purposes.
a seaside resort of a forum.
that DOA person's perspective re: criticism gains some credibility.
IMHO.

slightly depressing.
but ah well, beggars can't be choosers, i suppose.

edit_
ps: i appreciate that it's not easy having to make decisions about all this text (the forum) and what effect it may have when ppl read it.
i don't think i'd want that job.
all hail the mods!!!!!

edit2_ typo correction (repetition of "not")

ufo over easy · Post by **ufo over easy** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:20 pm

Shonky wrote: Who decides what's whining and bitching though? I understand if that's all there is to it, but most discussions on here are just people expressing different viewpoints

Innit..

it'd be fine if the moderator was completely objective.. but naturally, as a dubstep fan, he's not. no matter how official and bureaucratic his posts may seem.

Thanks,
Ben UFO

pangaea · Post by **pangaea** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:37 pm

Moderator wrote:There are a large amount of people that've joined up here, saying that this is the first forum they've ever registered to, specifically because they love the music so much. We have to address these people, as well as keeping the most forum saavy person happy as well. Contrary to what you might think, there are many people that use this forum for information and not neverending arguing.

Moderator

This place now has 12 sub-forums, so accessing dubstep information is probably as easy as it ever was. Why halt debate then, is it for the good of the board, or for the 'scene'?

ten city · Post by **ten city** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:41 pm

A jihad of moderation for talking bollocks ?

Why would 9 even bother to come here and answer his critics ?

This place and dubstep has an inflated sense of it's own self worth. Where did that come from ?

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:47 pm

Moderator wrote:Contrary to what you might think, there are many people that use this forum for information and not neverending arguing.

Moderator

Well there's both. We have the entire info section for that purpose. If it's just pointless bickering fair enough, but quite a bit of it isn't. Using terms like "neverending arguing" and "bitching and whining" are derogatory to the participants in the discussion quite frankly.

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:50 pm

ten city wrote:A jihad of moderation for talking bollocks ?

Why would 9 even bother to come here and answer his critics ?

This place and dubstep has an inflated sense of it's own self worth. Where did that come from ?

People thinking Dubstep's their special girl rather than anyone's fuckbuddy

parson · Post by **parson** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:01 pm

the moderating definitely makes me think twice before hitting submit

more than on any other board i've posted on, i choose not to hit submit very often
mods probably see that as success i dunno

pangaea · Post by **pangaea** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:08 pm

Dubstep®, it's like treading on eggshells.

parson · Post by **parson** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:15 pm

DUBSTEP WILL TEAR US APART AGAIN

bedward · Post by **bedward** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:42 pm

if everyone sticks to the following format, there should be no trouble:

thread title: (the name of a tune, or a quote from its vocal sample)

first post: (tune-title) "is sick!!!!!!!!!!11"

2nd post: "brapple!"

3rd post: "word, it's phat"

4th post: "OMG this tune is the shizzle!"

5th post: (artist-name) "is a badman!!!"

6th post: "wubwubwub wubwub wubbawubwubwub!"

7th post: (please start quoting the previous posts now, but do not add to them with anything but "seen" or an emoticon.)

and so on. and on.

YOU KNOW THE DRILL NOW!
ATTENTION!
HUT! HUT! HUT!
CHRISTIAN SOULJAHS, TOW THE LINE!!!

parson · Post by **parson** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:51 pm

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrap

forensix (mcr) · Post by **forensix (mcr)** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:45 pm

im getting bored of this place.

Once a interesting debate starts it gets shut down
Music has become what it is today by differences of opinion, and if we're not aloud to have those differences of opinion on this forum and have a good reasoned debate about it then dubstep is gonna be the loser in the end,

alot of people are gonna log off and never post again because they dont feel they can state their opinion cos the thread is going to get locked

As bok bok said its beginning to look like a PR exercise

Agressive behaviour i dont agree with, but then i dont agree with deleting posts that are of an agressive nature, yeah sure warn the offenders by all means, but if they wanna make themselves look stupid then let it be there for everyone to see.

electric eliminator · Post by **electric eliminator** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:01 pm

Shonky wrote:
People thinking Dubstep's their special girl rather than anyone's fuckbuddy

HaHaHa damn right shonky!

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