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[ramadanman]

6th post: "wubwubwub wubwub wubbawubwubwub!"

this one's an errr percy for me.

good to see most people in this thread have the same opinion. it's almost as if moderator is trying to sweep stuff under the metaphorical carpet - pretend everything's great and cool, when evidently some people think it's not.

[moderator]

the moderating definitely makes me think twice before hitting submit

more than on any other board i've posted on, i choose not to hit submit very often
mods probably see that as success i dunno

We run the rules hard here because we want this place to be unlike the majority of the larger forums.

It's not asking that much of people to be respectful.

Moderator

[shonky]

good to see most people in this thread have the same opinion. it's almost as if moderator is trying to sweep stuff under the metaphorical carpet - pretend everything's great and cool, when evidently some people think it's not.

Nailed it. Much though I love some dubstep, I'm still critical of it at points, and as this is a musical discussion forum I should feel free to state this. Don't think I've ever made personal attacks on anyone (and if so only in jest and to posters that I've communicated with outside of the thread). I've seen aggressive behaviour up here that seems to go unchecked yet an essentially harmless debate get moved. A scene that can't handle dissent is a pretty poor showing - as it's probably at it's most popular at the moment, I can't see that it's going to be that much of an issue. Just because an opinion's stated, it doesn't mean you have to agree with it.

[pompende]

If you knew zero about the scene and are registering to the dubstep forum for the first time, how does it look to have a "Losing Interest In Dubstep" 9 page thread right at the top of the main forum?

the "dubstep in a lull?" thread was on the front page for an age when i started reading here.

anyway the mods do a lot of good moderating as well, esp about spamming (an increasing issue ive noticed!) and the serious bullshit threads ("which sequencer" thread...i dont want to hear that kind of bickering anywhere and the production forum is about the least appropriate place).
allow some hate tho forreal.

[shonky]

anyway the mods do a lot of good moderating as well, esp about spamming (an increasing issue ive noticed!) and the serious bullshit threads ("which sequencer" thread...i dont want to hear that kind of bickering anywhere and the production forum is about the least appropriate place).
allow some hate tho forreal.

The spamming's just a matter of removing advertising that shouldn't be here though - there's not really much judgement required (althought I'm grateful the mods clear it up). I'm really surprised there wasn't a banning for that sequencer thread - really trying hard to think of a more pointless display of macho, aggressive bullshit in a long time.

[ten city]

We encourage debate. We encourage criticism. We encourage strong opinions.

Of course you do as it gives you something to moderate.

One just cannot debate, criticise or have a strong opinion with something you or the majority of whingers don't agree with regardless of whether it's true.

I've noticed how a clique of mod groupies can get away with saying pretty much whatever they like and others can't.

Who is it that you are protecting ? The new fan, the old boy dj/producer network, the mod groupie, the reputation of this forum, the genre ?

[alex bk-bk]

locking down threads to let them "cool off" is really fucking patronising

also, faceless nameless moderator isnt really a flex im feeling!

no i dont think theres a conspiracy
but i do think the person that made the comment about the inflated sense of self-worth of this place is spot on.

its only a forum ffs !

[Jubz]

Heads are overreacting a bit here. You can hardly call it a squashing of debate when threads have reached 10-15 pages or more and have been sitting on the forum for a few days to a week. The arguments just get recycled and recycled by people that post and dont read the whole thread (something im good at), most of the time everything that could be said has been said by page 3 anyway. Its not a big deal.

Despite my earlier post ^ I do think the threads should be left on the forum I cant see them doing much harm and I think the debate in the losing interest thread was well conducted and interesting.

[moderator]

We encourage debate. We encourage criticism. We encourage strong opinions.

Of course you do as it gives you something to moderate.

One just cannot debate, criticise or have a strong opinion with something you or the majority of whingers don't agree with regardless of whether it's true.

I've noticed how a clique of mod groupies can get away with saying pretty much whatever they like and others can't.

Who is it that you are protecting ? The new fan, the old boy dj/producer network, the mod groupie, the reputation of this forum, the genre ?

Sorry you feel this way. Clearly you think that there's some hidden agenda, which couldn't be further from the case.

You don't see us trying to sell you ringtones or trying to have banners flashing in your face. That's for a reason.

The only thing we're guilty of is trying to promote the music.

Moderator

[deapoh]

also, faceless nameless moderator isnt really a flex im feeling!

I don't have access to that. Don't get me involved

[moderator]

locking down threads to let them "cool off" is really fucking patronising

also, faceless nameless moderator isnt really a flex im feeling!

no i dont think theres a conspiracy
but i do think the person that made the comment about the inflated sense of self-worth of this place is spot on.

its only a forum ffs !

Thank you. Opinions like yours is exactly what we need to hear.

Trust, that everything said in this thread is going to be discussed further by all the Moderators.

Cheers,
Moderator

[boomnoise]

***The Moderator does not speak for the whole of the moderating body***

***'We' is often the voice of a final decision taken by The Moderator and NOT the Consilium board of 'moderators'***

[moderator]

***The Moderator does not speak for the whole of the moderating body***

***'We' is often the voice of a final decision taken by The Moderator and NOT the Consilium board of 'moderators'***

[ufo over easy]

good to see most people in this thread have the same opinion.

I thought that was the opposite of what this thread was about

You don't see us trying to sell you ringtones or trying to have banners flashing in your face. That's for a reason.

The only thing we're guilty of is trying to promote the music.

I don't think anyone would deny your good intentions. Obviously you do what you think is right. But I think that's part of the problem. You do what you personally think is right under the guise of The Moderator, whilst at the same time purporting to represent the consilium.

You ask sarcastically if people wanted some kind of robotic moderator, but in choosing to characterise yourself as a faceless authority figure rather than as a person, it's like you're denying your humanity, and by extension your fallibility. It seems to me that people don't think of The Moderator as a kindly dubstep fan, just trying to do his best - they think of him as the web police, head to toe in riot gear just waiting to unleash the tear gas.

[moderator]

good to see most people in this thread have the same opinion.

I thought that was the opposite of what this thread was about

You don't see us trying to sell you ringtones or trying to have banners flashing in your face. That's for a reason.

The only thing we're guilty of is trying to promote the music.

I don't think anyone would deny your good intentions. Obviously you do what you think is right. But I think that's part of the problem. You do what you personally think is right, under the guise of The Moderator, whilst at the same time purporting to represent the consilium.

You asked sarcastically if people wanted some kind of robotic moderator, but in choosing to characterise yourself as a faceless authority figure rather than as a person, it's like you're denying your fallibility. It seems to me that people don't think of The Moderator as a kindly dubstep fan, just trying to do his best - they think of him as the web police.

Thanks for your thoughts.

Moderator

[pangaea]

It seems to me that people don't think of The Moderator as a kindly dubstep fan, just trying to do his best - they think of him as the web police, head to toe in riot gear just waiting to unleash the tear gas.

[deamonds]

It seems to me that people don't think of The Moderator as a kindly dubstep fan, just trying to do his best - they think of him as the web police, head to toe in riot gear just waiting to unleash the tear gas.

Thats what im going to the next DMZ in for a laugh. Think i might be a bit hot though.

[ms hathaway]

It's not asking that much of people to be respectful.

Moderator

no, its not asking too much. however, i did not detect "disrespect" in every thread that i have observed being shut down. perhaps your definition of disrespect and mine differ. i do not find healthy debate disrespectful. i have seen some threads where the line has been crossed, and by all means deserved to be shelved. but that does not seem to be where you guys stop with your moderating.

[deapoh]

I like to sit down and smoke the erbs

[thinking]

gotta say first that i'm sure noone is hating on the Mod(s) here - everyone appreciates the time and effort taken.


I have to say this hits the nail on the head for me:

due to the amount of members obviously everyone is gonna have their 5 pence to stick in on a contraversial issue

so why delete and move threads that are obviously attracting people attention?

this evangelising of dubstep is ridiculous, if people have complaints to voice then they should be able to do so here primarily. this isnt a PR outlet. Or rather it sort of is nowadays, but it shouldnt be.

anyway im not that bothered, as i feel very jaded about this place already. just wish there were more blogs around with intelligent discussions going on, like a few years back.

I moderate a forum which is a shitload busier than this one, and generally the only stuff I do is moving/merging threads where appropriate. If and when shit gets heated i.e. direct flaming then maybe we'll lock or delete a thread, but this is rare and I see even less threads of that nature on here.

Okay so a debate gets a bit circular sometimes, eventually peeps get bored and it will drop. I just don't see it as that much of a problem. So what if there's a little negativity? People are just voicing their opinions - if they can't do that what's the point of being a member?

At the end of the day, forums are by their nature democratic i.e. if people don't post in them, they will drop.