not releasing digital.

_boring · Post by **_boring** » Mon May 04, 2009 1:18 am

seckle wrote:
steshine wrote:
dj ld wrote:The cost of buying vinyl has always acted as a quality control for me, I cant afford to buy every release that I like,so have to be selective. Over time this means you build up a nice collection. The trouble is these days people want to have every record ,not just the ones they really want - which is why they think that they cant afford vinyl. As someone said earlier CONSUME CONSUME CONSUME.
WORD!
People always are like, "i've got 100gb of music", but at the end of the day, so what!?
Having the cost makes you appreciate great tunes more and your record collection can b unique, rather than having an i-pod identical to the next "dubstep fan".
Having limitations on media production is a great idea and it should never change.
Fuck digital, buy the record, and if you want it on your i-pod, record it and put it on there yourself.
this is the thing.

when you pay nearly £1000 pounds to have something mastered and laquered, you're treating that creative effort with that much more scrutiny and precision.

you could have all the mastering plugins in the world, and be really good at mixdowns, but the process of having tunes run through another set of equipment and ears, means that the results are nearly perfect or as good as they could possibly be.

people seem to forget that this is a scene built on the power of the sound...the precision in the subbass. if you listen to early horsepower or even loefah,mala or any of the big apple releases, they're at such a high standard in production that no one could ignore it. this scene and the early jungle scene (93-97) before it, started around the culture of the cutting house....meaning....everyone would cut dubs at the same two or three places. this is why the early metalheadz and the rest of those pioneering labels made such a huge impact. cutting houses, before the days of myspace and blogs, were the only way that one producer could hear what other producers were doing...before the tunes hit the club. this created a competitive sound culture, where you tried to stay competitive with other producers and other sounds. everyone pushing each other....

jamaica in the 60's and 70's had the same cutting house culture, where one cutting house would try to outdo the next one...for sound power. read up on tubby or coxsone or any of those production houses and you can see why they've become legendary.

vinyl, by default creates its own legacy which can be passed onwards. what legacy do you have with a 80gb harddrive? at the end of the day its not the format thats the issue, its the issue of quality control and the end result.

once again seckle, i think u are taking this tooo far. obv it would be ballin to be so idealistic, but i say roll with the punches and releases yo shit on the digi as WELL as vinyl.

jaybird · Post by **jaybird** » Mon May 04, 2009 4:00 am

Deadly Habit wrote:
seckle wrote:people need to ask themselves this in 2009...
do you want to make disposable music thats forgotten about in 6 months, or do you want to make music thats talked about in 15 years?
the format has nothing to do with that though

yeah it kinna does, coz a digital track could be lost forever..

thnk about it.. tune gets taken down from a site for some reason, then the artist loses the original, and only a hand full of people bought it, and it didn't get pirated.. then those people lost it by deleting it coz their hard drive was full, or lost it in a crash.. now that tune is gone..

at least with vinyl there is a physical product, made from non biodegradable materials, then can pretty much withstand everything but heat..

once again.. when the rapture comes, I can still play my vinyls on a needle and a paper cup..

as they say.. vinyl is fo'eva..

yong · Post by **yong** » Mon May 04, 2009 4:49 am

dj ld wrote:
i'm a PC, and proud of it
Itunes and Ipod are Apple brands in case you didnt realise. I'm talking about the bigger picture here,not necesarily just music. Digital technology in general is more about making money than any real benefit to the consumer.

That really makes no sense...

iTunes is a free download. You don't have to buy music from their site to play it. You can play mp3, wav, aif, m4a, aac (and more) from WHEREVER. CDs included.

It's not about making money. The iTunes music store is, but saying that DIGITAL TECHNOLOGY IN GENERAL is about making money?

You really have no idea.

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Mon May 04, 2009 4:53 am

jaybird wrote:
Deadly Habit wrote:
seckle wrote:people need to ask themselves this in 2009...
do you want to make disposable music thats forgotten about in 6 months, or do you want to make music thats talked about in 15 years?
the format has nothing to do with that though
yeah it kinna does, coz a digital track could be lost forever..

thnk about it.. tune gets taken down from a site for some reason, then the artist loses the original, and only a hand full of people bought it, and it didn't get pirated.. then those people lost it by deleting it coz their hard drive was full, or lost it in a crash.. now that tune is gone..

at least with vinyl there is a physical product, made from non biodegradable materials, then can pretty much withstand everything but heat..

once again.. when the rapture comes, I can still play my vinyls on a needle and a paper cup..

as they say.. vinyl is fo'eva..

no real excuse for that these days though with how cheap hard drives, pen drives, dvd/cd writers are to back your shit up

also vinyl especially djing with it will degrade over time from the abuse of the needles going back and forth on it, cueing it etc

personally once i get the cash to spare i think i'm gonna get a dat recorder to back up my personally made productions

jaybird · Post by **jaybird** » Mon May 04, 2009 4:59 am

Deadly Habit wrote:
jaybird wrote:
Deadly Habit wrote:
seckle wrote:people need to ask themselves this in 2009...
do you want to make disposable music thats forgotten about in 6 months, or do you want to make music thats talked about in 15 years?
the format has nothing to do with that though
yeah it kinna does, coz a digital track could be lost forever..

thnk about it.. tune gets taken down from a site for some reason, then the artist loses the original, and only a hand full of people bought it, and it didn't get pirated.. then those people lost it by deleting it coz their hard drive was full, or lost it in a crash.. now that tune is gone..

at least with vinyl there is a physical product, made from non biodegradable materials, then can pretty much withstand everything but heat..

once again.. when the rapture comes, I can still play my vinyls on a needle and a paper cup..

as they say.. vinyl is fo'eva..
no real excuse for that these days though with how cheap hard drives, pen drives, dvd/cd writers are to back your shit up
also vinyl especially djing with it will degrade over time from the abuse of the needles going back and forth on it, cueing it etc

personally once i get the cash to spare i think i'm gonna get a dat recorder to back up my personally made productions

Dats are very iffy as well.. my d-5 always has problems with my old tapes.. :/

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Mon May 04, 2009 5:02 am

jaybird wrote:
Deadly Habit wrote:
jaybird wrote:
Deadly Habit wrote:
seckle wrote:people need to ask themselves this in 2009...
do you want to make disposable music thats forgotten about in 6 months, or do you want to make music thats talked about in 15 years?
the format has nothing to do with that though
yeah it kinna does, coz a digital track could be lost forever..

thnk about it.. tune gets taken down from a site for some reason, then the artist loses the original, and only a hand full of people bought it, and it didn't get pirated.. then those people lost it by deleting it coz their hard drive was full, or lost it in a crash.. now that tune is gone..

at least with vinyl there is a physical product, made from non biodegradable materials, then can pretty much withstand everything but heat..

once again.. when the rapture comes, I can still play my vinyls on a needle and a paper cup..

as they say.. vinyl is fo'eva..
no real excuse for that these days though with how cheap hard drives, pen drives, dvd/cd writers are to back your shit up
also vinyl especially djing with it will degrade over time from the abuse of the needles going back and forth on it, cueing it etc

personally once i get the cash to spare i think i'm gonna get a dat recorder to back up my personally made productions
Dats are very iffy as well.. my d-5 always has problems with my old tapes.. :/

yea just something on top of the dvd-r/cd-r route
had some cheap cd-rs i used years ago flake to shit, thankfully backed em up before they were lost

abZ · Post by **abZ** » Mon May 04, 2009 5:11 am

Deadly Habit wrote:
jaybird wrote:
Deadly Habit wrote:
jaybird wrote:
Deadly Habit wrote: the format has nothing to do with that though
yeah it kinna does, coz a digital track could be lost forever..

thnk about it.. tune gets taken down from a site for some reason, then the artist loses the original, and only a hand full of people bought it, and it didn't get pirated.. then those people lost it by deleting it coz their hard drive was full, or lost it in a crash.. now that tune is gone..

at least with vinyl there is a physical product, made from non biodegradable materials, then can pretty much withstand everything but heat..

once again.. when the rapture comes, I can still play my vinyls on a needle and a paper cup..

as they say.. vinyl is fo'eva..
no real excuse for that these days though with how cheap hard drives, pen drives, dvd/cd writers are to back your shit up
also vinyl especially djing with it will degrade over time from the abuse of the needles going back and forth on it, cueing it etc

personally once i get the cash to spare i think i'm gonna get a dat recorder to back up my personally made productions
Dats are very iffy as well.. my d-5 always has problems with my old tapes.. :/
yea just something on top of the dvd-r/cd-r route
had some cheap cd-rs i used years ago flake to shit, thankfully backed em up before they were lost

I will agree with you on that one. Digital tapes wear out just like the analog ones do and when that happens you are fucked. That is why no one uses tapes anymore. DH is a little strange sometimes

I have some good MP3's that I got off of here from a few years back. It is really cool to play them now because no one else is. That feels just as special to me as if I had some rare vinyl. Which I do, it's stacked up all over the place in my studio taking up valuable space. 99% of dance music IS disposable. I could widdle my collection down to a couple crates with out shedding a tear. Sometimes things get better when they are "lost". I know there have been quite a few records that I thought were the shit and I searched and searched for them then paid through the nose and after I got it the tune wasn't as good as it was in my memory of it. Moments in time that should be left as just that. You can't take that shit with you to your grave. At this point we are just arguing to argue

dj ld · Post by **dj ld** » Mon May 04, 2009 8:14 am

That really makes no sense...

iTunes is a free download. You don't have to buy music from their site to play it. You can play mp3, wav, aif, m4a, aac (and more) from WHEREVER. CDs included.

It's not about making money. The iTunes music store is, but saying that DIGITAL TECHNOLOGY IN GENERAL is about making money?

You really have no idea.

So your telling me digital products are designed and built to last! Name me a digital product that has the longevity of the Technics 1210?

shaan · Post by **shaan** » Mon May 04, 2009 8:17 am

what the fuck are you on about?

how can you compare a digital product to a technics turntable?

and also:

dance music is disposable music by nature - sorry but it's true. inner city life etc etc are classics but they are still dated as fuck

beatlejuice · Post by **beatlejuice** » Mon May 04, 2009 8:25 am

Shaan wrote: how can you compare a digital product to a technics turntable?

virtual DJ

and yup a lot of early dubstep now sounds dated as fuck

horror show anyone ???

shaan · Post by **shaan** » Mon May 04, 2009 8:27 am

yeah but comparing the longetivity of physical vs digital is stupid - a program is indefinite it's not gonna get to 3 yearsand stop working - it may become outdated but so were turntables until serato came along

yeah horror show is dated but i still play it regularly - mainly because all the johnnycomelately's don't paly that sort of stuff

beatlejuice · Post by **beatlejuice** » Mon May 04, 2009 8:37 am

not being an audiophile or a vinyl fetishist or a scenester, music then, has always been about groove and composition...you know good old musicianship

...its why i can still listen to shit mp3's of rare groove and funk that has absolutely no bass weight and still be blown away

oh and technology. Electronica develops according to technology. I love that from any era, the limits of technology were always pushed to their limits. From kraftwerk and cybotron to reso and distance

apply that to format too and from vinyl to tape to cd to digital. You gotta move with the times

shaan · Post by **shaan** » Mon May 04, 2009 8:40 am

yeah aren't there certain bass panning techniques that cant be used on vinyl? pop the needle out or something?

there's a big limitation right thur

dj ld · Post by **dj ld** » Mon May 04, 2009 8:57 am

yeah aren't there certain bass panning techniques that cant be used on vinyl? pop the needle out or something?

there's a big limitation right thur

Not as big a limitation as just sounding shite

shaan · Post by **shaan** » Mon May 04, 2009 9:06 am

but you don't! seriously bro - you actually don't in a club environment - maybe in your ultra 1337 purpose built seperate foundation listening room but in a club full of ppl - nope sorry.

also - this argument is super old -

craig · Post by **craig** » Mon May 04, 2009 9:59 am

i know i'm a bit late to the party, but..

*COUGH*rephlex*COUGH*

surface_tension · Post by **surface_tension** » Mon May 04, 2009 10:04 am

beatlejuice wrote:not being an audiophile or a vinyl fetishist or a scenester, music then, has always been about groove and composition...you know good old musicianship

...its why i can still listen to shit mp3's of rare groove and funk that has absolutely no bass weight and still be blown away

oh and technology. Electronica develops according to technology. I love that from any era, the limits of technology were always pushed to their limits. From kraftwerk and cybotron to reso and distance

apply that to format too and from vinyl to tape to cd to digital. You gotta move with the times

Well if we're being really scientific, Vinyl has stood the test of time, when other more common formats did not. Tapes and CD's are almost a thing of the past. Music delivery is almost entirely digital now, save for vinyl. Vinyl is still alive, and I'm sure people will tell you increasing in popularity among audiophiles. Frankly if you like digital, buy digital. If a label doesn't put out digital, you don't get the tune. Simple as that. We personally sell digital.

If a label is doing it to preserve vinyl culture and they feel that is the right way for them to go, I have no beef with that. More power to ya.

dj ld · Post by **dj ld** » Mon May 04, 2009 11:00 am

The argument is old and boring but some people on here could do with reading up on sound system/dubplate culture & theory.

abZ · Post by **abZ** » Mon May 04, 2009 11:13 am

Surface_Tension wrote:
beatlejuice wrote:not being an audiophile or a vinyl fetishist or a scenester, music then, has always been about groove and composition...you know good old musicianship

...its why i can still listen to shit mp3's of rare groove and funk that has absolutely no bass weight and still be blown away

oh and technology. Electronica develops according to technology. I love that from any era, the limits of technology were always pushed to their limits. From kraftwerk and cybotron to reso and distance

apply that to format too and from vinyl to tape to cd to digital. You gotta move with the times
Well if we're being really scientific, Vinyl has stood the test of time, when other more common formats did not. Tapes and CD's are almost a thing of the past. Music delivery is almost entirely digital now, save for vinyl. Vinyl is still alive, and I'm sure people will tell you increasing in popularity among audiophiles. Frankly if you like digital, buy digital. If a label doesn't put out digital, you don't get the tune. Simple as that. We personally sell digital.

If a label is doing it to preserve vinyl culture and they feel that is the right way for them to go, I have no beef with that. More power to ya.

Flac is probably more common than anything for audiophiles these days.

yohan1234 · Post by **yohan1234** » Mon May 04, 2009 12:35 pm

Can't just everyone release everything on both mediums and let the public decide what's good? I prefer having a tune on vinyl, but in some cases the tune is sold out...just look at benga - buzzin, sold out in 30 seconds and no more copies...even though its kind of new.

Even though I have over 9000 tunes on mp3 I'd trade it in a blink of an eye for my record collection.

OVER 9000!_!_!$$>!!%!%%!

not releasing digital.

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