not releasing digital.

yohan1234 · Post by **yohan1234** » Mon May 04, 2009 12:37 pm

Surface_Tension wrote:
beatlejuice wrote:not being an audiophile or a vinyl fetishist or a scenester, music then, has always been about groove and composition...you know good old musicianship

...its why i can still listen to shit mp3's of rare groove and funk that has absolutely no bass weight and still be blown away

oh and technology. Electronica develops according to technology. I love that from any era, the limits of technology were always pushed to their limits. From kraftwerk and cybotron to reso and distance

apply that to format too and from vinyl to tape to cd to digital. You gotta move with the times
Well if we're being really scientific, Vinyl has stood the test of time, when other more common formats did not. Tapes and CD's are almost a thing of the past. Music delivery is almost entirely digital now, save for vinyl. Vinyl is still alive, and I'm sure people will tell you increasing in popularity among audiophiles. Frankly if you like digital, buy digital. If a label doesn't put out digital, you don't get the tune. Simple as that. We personally sell digital.

If a label is doing it to preserve vinyl culture and they feel that is the right way for them to go, I have no beef with that. More power to ya.

Tapes are a thing of the past?! It's strange but I think hiphop sounds better on tape...:O

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Mon May 04, 2009 1:53 pm

Surface_Tension wrote:
beatlejuice wrote:not being an audiophile or a vinyl fetishist or a scenester, music then, has always been about groove and composition...you know good old musicianship

...its why i can still listen to shit mp3's of rare groove and funk that has absolutely no bass weight and still be blown away

oh and technology. Electronica develops according to technology. I love that from any era, the limits of technology were always pushed to their limits. From kraftwerk and cybotron to reso and distance

apply that to format too and from vinyl to tape to cd to digital. You gotta move with the times
Well if we're being really scientific, Vinyl has stood the test of time, when other more common formats did not. Tapes and CD's are almost a thing of the past. Music delivery is almost entirely digital now, save for vinyl. Vinyl is still alive, and I'm sure people will tell you increasing in popularity among audiophiles. Frankly if you like digital, buy digital. If a label doesn't put out digital, you don't get the tune. Simple as that. We personally sell digital.

If a label is doing it to preserve vinyl culture and they feel that is the right way for them to go, I have no beef with that. More power to ya.

the fact of the matter is that it's up to the consumer like it or not. a vinyl only release will be made available digitally regardless, so the label might as well cash in on it.

tacospheros · Post by **tacospheros** » Mon May 04, 2009 8:45 pm

what i meant was that for all the poeple who ARE NOT DJS and have NO REASON TO BUY VINYL there are really no options to hear tunes by people who dont release digital or cd, other than slsk etc

if you only want to release your stuff on vinyl, thats great. if you only make your music for djs to play, thats kinda silly but fine , do what you want to do . its a free world we live in . but you're cutting out a big section of people who might otherwise want your music

not everyone who listens to dubstep is a DJ , and therefore dont buy vinyl

to all the vinyl loving djs, keep doing your thang, it doesnt bother me , but i think people are forgetting about the fans. the people that love the music, go out to the shows, tip the bartenders etc , and at the end of the day would like to go home and listen to some of your tunes, but they dont have TURNTABLES cuz THEYRE NOT DJS

soundbwoy · Post by **soundbwoy** » Mon May 04, 2009 11:19 pm

tacospheros wrote:what i meant was that for all the poeple who ARE NOT DJS and have NO REASON TO BUY VINYL there are really no options to hear tunes by people who dont release digital or cd, other than slsk etc

if you only want to release your stuff on vinyl, thats great. if you only make your music for djs to play, thats kinda silly but fine , do what you want to do . its a free world we live in . but you're cutting out a big section of people who might otherwise want your music

not everyone who listens to dubstep is a DJ , and therefore dont buy vinyl

to all the vinyl loving djs, keep doing your thang, it doesnt bother me , but i think people are forgetting about the fans. the people that love the music, go out to the shows, tip the bartenders etc , and at the end of the day would like to go home and listen to some of your tunes, but they dont have TURNTABLES cuz THEYRE NOT DJS

exactlyyyyy
none of your reasons are good enough to justify preventing real hardcore music lovers from listening to any of your tunes on their iPod. no retarded shit about real hardcore fans would by a turntable, allow yourself. and allow you if you think that singles/12"s are just for DJs, shit is retarded. it's the albums i rarely buy. all the good shit comes out on the singles, with no filler.
I am a DJ and this is still obvious to me

_boring · Post by **_boring** » Mon May 04, 2009 11:30 pm

dude im so underground you will NEVER hear my chunes. EVER!!!!

hahaha its cool to keep stuff separate and exclusive, but the point for me is that there WILL be vinyl rips that sound like dook that people WILL play, because the LOVE that shit so much they will do anything to get it, so why not just release digital if you release vinyl??

if you want to keep shit exclusive, then don't release at ALL eh? ya know?

i mean i know you people say you arent in it for the loot but COME ON seriously, release digital pleeeeease

at least like a few months later than the vinyl yeesh

_boring · Post by **_boring** » Mon May 04, 2009 11:32 pm

heres an opinion i bet people have: "i dont release vinyl because i dont want a bunch of n00bie hipster DJ's playing my shit on their serato"

soundbwoy · Post by **soundbwoy** » Mon May 04, 2009 11:32 pm

i like where this thread is going!!
allow this "discussion" bs

RELEASE THE M*THERF*CKING DIGITAL!!!
MOTHERF*CKERS!!

jim · Post by **jim** » Mon May 04, 2009 11:37 pm

If you can't be bothered buying a turntable then just download the shit illegally and stfu.

coxy · Post by **coxy** » Mon May 04, 2009 11:40 pm

look at the I want I want jokers

OI PORSCHE! release a cheap motor IT'S NOT FAIR

HEY LEVIS! i want your jeans in yellow NOW

it's not your product, you have no right to anything

soundbwoy · Post by **soundbwoy** » Mon May 04, 2009 11:41 pm

unfortunately I did buy a turntable
and fuck loads of vinyl
surface_tension you owe me Ps

surface_tension · Post by **surface_tension** » Mon May 04, 2009 11:59 pm

Deadly Habit wrote:
Surface_Tension wrote:
beatlejuice wrote:not being an audiophile or a vinyl fetishist or a scenester, music then, has always been about groove and composition...you know good old musicianship

...its why i can still listen to shit mp3's of rare groove and funk that has absolutely no bass weight and still be blown away

oh and technology. Electronica develops according to technology. I love that from any era, the limits of technology were always pushed to their limits. From kraftwerk and cybotron to reso and distance

apply that to format too and from vinyl to tape to cd to digital. You gotta move with the times
Well if we're being really scientific, Vinyl has stood the test of time, when other more common formats did not. Tapes and CD's are almost a thing of the past. Music delivery is almost entirely digital now, save for vinyl. Vinyl is still alive, and I'm sure people will tell you increasing in popularity among audiophiles. Frankly if you like digital, buy digital. If a label doesn't put out digital, you don't get the tune. Simple as that. We personally sell digital.

If a label is doing it to preserve vinyl culture and they feel that is the right way for them to go, I have no beef with that. More power to ya.
the fact of the matter is that it's up to the consumer like it or not. a vinyl only release will be made available digitally regardless, so the label might as well cash in on it.

I agree, that's why we sell digital as well. To be completely honest though, I'd love to make a release or two down the road vinyl only, and release a few digital only releases as well. I don't like the idea of excluding people, but I do actually value the idea of VIP and limited editions of things for pure unadulterated collectible value.

But we're on the same page here. I think where we differ, is that you think that it's going to somehow change by posting about them not doing the digital sales. At this point, if any label in the game is releasing vinyl only, nothing we could say will change that. This thread has gone on entirely too long.

Should have been two posts long honestly...

1. Isn't it bullshit that some labels sell vinyl only?
2. Yes, it is bullshit but is, indeed, their prerogative. Nothing will change their mind.

There's no real need to debate the effects of low cutting, when most club systems can't handle any serious bass anyway. Even the best dialed in club system doesn't sound as good as any decent studio monitors with a nice powered sub in a small ass studio with a spliff in your hand.

What I think is interesting, is how quick everyone is to jump on anyone who talks about running a label and releasing music as a business, but whenever there is something a label is doing that we don't like, there's the chorus of "oh they aren't making smart business decisions..." or "oh, don't they care about sales?"

at the end of the day, this was several pages of worthless crap including my own input...

There are things that I like about digitally collecting tunes, obviously I can listen to them on my Ipod or use Serato or whatever... but honestly, there are things I love about vinyl that can't be reproduced or simulated by anything else, any other means of delivery. Truth be told, I don't care how someone plays someone elses tunes to make themselves famous. For the record, I'd rather listen to an amazingly extravagant Live set from someone who understands how to deconstruct and reproduce, remix, etc on the fly... at least they are doing something worth taking a look at while you beardstroke.

At the end of the day, you can't see what the DJ is playing with if your eyes are down and you're skanking the fuck out. If the mixing is on point, the EQing is on par, the system is flexing and the crowd is elbow to elbow brocking out, I certainly hope you're not standing there with your thumbs up your ass and hating on what they play with. I know a guy who uses his guitar is a Live controller.

But when it comes to me, and my own personal preference, I love to play vinyl most of all. You do you. Let the labels that don't sell vinyl do them. Send them an email and ask them their position and see if you can change their mind.

_boring · Post by **_boring** » Tue May 05, 2009 12:09 am

coxy wrote:look at the I want I want jokers

OI PORSCHE! release a cheap motor IT'S NOT FAIR

HEY LEVIS! i want your jeans in yellow NOW

it's not your product, you have no right to anything

i want to SLAUGHTER anyone who takes this attitude. because we arent trying to SAY we have the right, just that it would be COOL. BRAH.

FUCKOFF. (coki drop)

a. how are we acting like its a right besides bare sarcasm?

b. YOU sound like the one with a stick up your arse, and your lips around the shlong of your own elitist attitude.

c. Porsche may be art but LEVIS?? stfu

d. as far as being fucked to buy a turntable, maybe some people just LIKE serato (plastician?) and they want to play your tune (because they like it a lot) but switching to a vinyl with serato isnt the greatest (so i hear?)

e. "If you can't be bothered buying a turntable then just download the shit illegally and stfu."

_boring · Post by **_boring** » Tue May 05, 2009 12:11 am

@ surface - i dont think its BULLSHIT, i just think it would be nice of them

man. fucking forums.

_boring · Post by **_boring** » Tue May 05, 2009 12:22 am

yea its cool to release vinyl, press your own dubplates etc etc etc etc but i dno, hook a brotha up with a nice wav to buy eh

everyone has different situations, i tend to play mostly for people who arent "dubstep heads" because i like that more; i like to get people on the vibes im kickin to know what i mean? i dont like playing other peoples mixes at parties fuck that, so if i dont have my whole damn set-up with me, its nice to whip my macbook outta my bag and bang out some shit for kids on traktor. ya know? i never know when im gonna be able to whip my shit out and play at house parties i go to, so i just bring it a lot (dont jump me) and if i can get get on the sound then GREAT!!! so its nice to be able to play at least a good quality file.

its very cool to have the exclusive elitist attitude but really its not hard to just release digitally too.

i dont think pirating is what people are worried about on this issue here, pirates will be pirates you;re all pirates, the end.

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Tue May 05, 2009 12:30 am

Sight wrote:I don't like bringing my laptop to the club so its all vinyl for me. Even @ the studio. We have Serato, FUCKING LOADS of mp3s and Wave files but damn... its sucks compared to vinyl.

We've got at least a box of new 12" releases coming every week, that plus the other new 12"s ordered by other local Djs, who has time for Mp3s ? I certainly dont'. I can barley keep up with the tremendous releases on vinyl. Its generally a mix cd put on so we can do other stuff while the Mix plays.

I don't have time for Mp3s with all the wicked vinyl coming out.

I like to buy a record for $10. At least I know I am contributing a good amount of $ to the entire scene, record shop, distributor, artist and label. When you spend .99 cents on a compressed file or wave file how shitty is it to split up .99 cents ?? I'd rather spend $10 and know my $ is being well spent.

Mp3s are smoke and mirrors. When the hard drive crashes You'll still have your vinyl ! In 10 years who knows what hardrive that mp3 will be on anyway.

i don't like being forced to pay 10$ for 1 tune i want with a shit b-side, or if that 1 tune happens to be on an lp or ep (even more)
and where can i get mp3s/wav files for under a buck

also if my house catches fire my vinyl will melt, but my backup external hd will be safe in the small fireproof safe i have

soundbwoy · Post by **soundbwoy** » Tue May 05, 2009 12:30 am

coxy wrote:look at the I want I want jokers

OI PORSCHE! release a cheap motor IT'S NOT FAIR

HEY LEVIS! i want your jeans in yellow NOW

it's not your product, you have no right to anything

1) s'not about the price. if i could pay 6,99 for the mp3, in some cases I would

2) your jeans analogy is shite. but to run with it, i don't want yellow jeans, i'm cool with the 501s blud, just could you make them in a size that fits all, not just djs...

_boring · Post by **_boring** » Tue May 05, 2009 12:31 am

Deadly Habit wrote:
Sight wrote:I don't like bringing my laptop to the club so its all vinyl for me. Even @ the studio. We have Serato, FUCKING LOADS of mp3s and Wave files but damn... its sucks compared to vinyl.

We've got at least a box of new 12" releases coming every week, that plus the other new 12"s ordered by other local Djs, who has time for Mp3s ? I certainly dont'. I can barley keep up with the tremendous releases on vinyl. Its generally a mix cd put on so we can do other stuff while the Mix plays.

I don't have time for Mp3s with all the wicked vinyl coming out.

I like to buy a record for $10. At least I know I am contributing a good amount of $ to the entire scene, record shop, distributor, artist and label. When you spend .99 cents on a compressed file or wave file how shitty is it to split up .99 cents ?? I'd rather spend $10 and know my $ is being well spent.

Mp3s are smoke and mirrors. When the hard drive crashes You'll still have your vinyl ! In 10 years who knows what hardrive that mp3 will be on anyway.
i don't like being forced to pay 10$ for 1 tune i want with a shit b-side, or if that 1 tune happens to be on an lp or ep (even more)
and where can i get mp3s/wav files for under a buck

also if my house catches fire my vinyl will melt, but my backup external hd will be safe in the small fireproof safe i have

jokes

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Tue May 05, 2009 12:32 am

Sight wrote:We have Serato, FUCKING LOADS of mp3s and Wave files but damn... its sucks compared to vinyl.

its important to make the difference between an mp3 unmastered at 320, and an mp3 mastered at 320. the former being the fucking problem, and also may i add the reason why serato gets a lot of shit. 75% of the time when the sound is in the toilet at a club because of serato, its not due to the equipment being used....its due to the dj using rips or shitty unmastered mp3's or generally not giving a fuck because he wants the booking so badly.

mastered wav's, flac's and aif's are the ONLY way forward with serato. anything else and you better be really good at twisting EQ knobs to +10 (and don't think that people don't notice you doing it too).

and as coxy said really well...none of the producers owe anything to anyone... its their tune and their format choice.

_boring · Post by **_boring** » Tue May 05, 2009 12:34 am

seckle wrote:
Sight wrote:We have Serato, FUCKING LOADS of mp3s and Wave files but damn... its sucks compared to vinyl.
its important to make the difference between an mp3 unmastered at 320, and an mp3 mastered at 320. the former being the fucking problem, and also may i add the reason why serato gets a lot of shit. 75% of the time when the sound is in the toilet at a club because of serato, its not due to the equipment being used....its due to the dj using rips or shitty unmastered mp3's or generally not giving a fuck because he wants the booking so badly.

mastered wav's, flac's and aif's are the ONLY way forward with serato. anything else and you better be really good at twisting EQ knobs to +10 (and don't think that people don't notice you doing it too).

good call!

and as far as

"and as coxy said really well...none of the producers owe anything to anyone... its their tune and their format choice."

i dont want to come off like im tryng to be a picky prick im just sayin cmon guys it would be reallll nice of ya'll

not releasing digital.

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