With all this waste media coverage....

fullyrecordingz · Post by **fullyrecordingz** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 11:19 pm

On one hand, media coverage is good for aspects of this scene, such as increased music sales from the promotion, which means artists and djs can make a career out of dubstep.
on the other hand it seems to be mostly inncorrect information, which is obviously being recyled from past articles and internet blogs, even forums. This inaccuracy and "hype" seems to be drawing waste people into this genre.
Now to a minor extent we're gettin crackheads, shankers and general wastescum at dubstep nights.

With the growing prospect of this sound being hurled overground i hope it's shown respect by newcomers, and oldskool values are kept. cause we've all sorta raised this whole scene like a baby, so it would be a shame for this newfound publicity to backfire & result in a collapse like garage (even though dats still running underground) or bandwagon jumpers that get over technical= fuck it all up.

ON a side note, I wanna say that I love whats happening on the music side of things right now, there are so many good producers and things happening and its a healthy scene. AND I do think there is a formula (so I dunno why people say there aint one) and it's a good formula and it works.

oh yeh, and big up all the independent writers who chat sense when they write about dubstep, those articles are 100x better than waste in the newspapers.

yeh and i didnt write this so it could turn into some long debate style ting, its just what i think of them stupid newspaper articles that are becomin more frequent.

ggrandad · Post by **ggrandad** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 11:30 pm

was all over the papers this weekend gone

even the ... daily telegraph...

GG
http://www.electrobel.co.uk/flash_mp3.p ... eb41a5ba6c

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 11:58 pm

When the Mail covers dubstep you know it's properly fucked.

drbluebeat · Post by **drbluebeat** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 9:01 am

edit: stop wittering man! (to self)

It's always great to be part of something small and cool but if it stays like that then it goes off eventually - all of this stuff will, I am sure keep things moving.

Personally I hope it all stops tomorrow, I am getting too old to keep having so much fun!

gravious · Post by **gravious** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 9:08 am

I got reviewed in The Sun in Scotland...

(PS. Cheers Tom...)

But anyways, I don't think we should be overly worried.

For all the shit hype press is getting things wrong, its at least putting this stuff out there. If people are interested enough to look into it properly then thats a good thing.

drbluebeat · Post by **drbluebeat** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 9:15 am

Shonky wrote:When the Mail covers dubstep you know it's properly fucked.

Safe so far!

brklss · Post by **brklss** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 9:59 am

I prefere having a slow but steady growing scene rather than an exploding teen-NEDs-flooded 3000 people rave.

Keep it tight, not hyped.

dreadnought · Post by **dreadnought** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:04 pm

this is the key thing!!!!!

all this attention is good but its how people take it!!!!

if the folks get all in a hype about it and the djs/producers start playin for that crowd.. then i think the seen will turn like dnb n be all fragmented to styles

but on the other hand if the djs and producers take a step back, see and realise that "trying" to appel to a new crowd is damaging to the exsisting crowd. then you will win over new fans 1 by 1 rather then hunderds at once... dubstep be more respected and people feel more happier methinks...

so let the media highlight dubstep, just dont take it as ruining of good force.... its how you as a fan/producer/dj make of it, that will change the appel of it all

dreadnought · Post by **dreadnought** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:06 pm

geez i cant spell

fullyrecordingz · Post by **fullyrecordingz** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:58 pm

Im glad they clearly dont understand it though, I'd be damned the day a boffin journalist in a smart suit could pin down a sound like this.

I really want this scene to mark the begining of something other than music though. I want it 2 be the start of a different way of distribution, ethics, away from the people who mass market it to suit wide tastes.

boomnoise · Post by **boomnoise** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 2:17 pm

Can't have your cake and eat it. I doubt many of you would be here now if it wasn't for media coverage of some sort.

This coverage is ultimately going to help things. More money to the artists if nothing else. It's difficult not to get too precious about something you love and i have to continually check myself on this. But ultimately this scene is growing and there's is nothing to do about that. We should embrace it. In time, if it's to have longegevity, articles will be written which better reflect the sound.

Inaccurate journalism is not exclusive to writing on dubstep. And it's wrong to really expect much from national newspapers given their readership demographic profiles.

The recent slew of (mainstream) media coverage may not impress with its quality but i personally don't doubt its worth.

corpsey · Post by **corpsey** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 2:35 pm

The article in Reader's Wives magazine in particular was very poorly researched. As far as I'm aware, Mabel Finch is not the founder of dubstep (which is not called ''fist gobbing''), and dubstep is generally played through large bass-heavy speakers, not through a ring-finger-fingered arthiritic poon-slot. I also couldn't see any DMZ or FWD fam sitting on the patterned sofa behind this ''Mabel'' bloke with their knobs out grimacing.

robjc · Post by **robjc** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 2:53 pm

You know that Reader's Wifes gets a healthy readership in Nottingham

tercerojista · Post by **tercerojista** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 3:41 pm

boomnoise wrote:Can't have your cake and eat it. I doubt many of you would be here now if it wasn't for media coverage of some sort.

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The recent slew of (mainstream) media coverage may not impress with its quality but i personally don't doubt its worth.

True, true and true.

It IS annoying when the mainstream gets hold of something that was previously pretty underground, but it's inevitable. It is the job of the media to report on culture, and I doubt anyone here would deny that the dubstep culture is something well worth reporting on.

When things go more mainstream, they're always likely to get watered down or pastiched until they have no real worth. But good producers and good promoters will always try to keep things fresh, and true fans will keep looking for the diamonds in the rough.

I'd say that, In a way, it makes things interesting when scenes get bigger. The search for "trueness" becomes a lot more difficult, and arguably more personal. Take hip hop. It's gigantic (so big that the label "hip hop" is virtually redundant these days). And a lot of hip hop is completely boring shite, but that's not to say that there isn't still stuff out there that really grabs the imagination in the way that true music should.

Surely, doesn't believing that dubstep will be killed by media coverage suggest that you don't believe that there are dubstep producers out there who have the talent or artistic integrity to keep stepping things up rather than going for the easy money? The lamestream will only embrace something that suits the tastes of the lamestream. And the only thing that suits the lamestream is complacency.

samsupa · Post by **samsupa** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 4:50 pm

So far the coverage in the States has been slim. The mark of something becoming very blown up and overground is if the music becomes a soundtrack for a car commercial. This happend to all generes including DnB.

fullyrecordingz · Post by **fullyrecordingz** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 4:51 pm

tercerojista wrote:Surely, doesn't believing that dubstep will be killed by media coverage suggest that you don't believe that there are dubstep producers out there who have the talent or artistic integrity...

No, that's not what I meant. I clearly said I love what producers are bringing and the way things are going. I just meant that the newcomers should respect what the founders and fans have put into it.

boomnoise · Post by **boomnoise** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 5:00 pm

SamSupa wrote:So far the coverage in the States has been slim. The mark of something becoming very blown up and overground is if the music becomes a soundtrack for a car commercial. This happend to all generes including DnB.

this has already happend i understand. unless someone on here was joking. i haven't seen the evidence though.

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 5:05 pm

FullyRecordingz wrote:
tercerojista wrote:Surely, doesn't believing that dubstep will be killed by media coverage suggest that you don't believe that there are dubstep producers out there who have the talent or artistic integrity...
No, that's not what I meant. I clearly said I love what producers are bringing and the way things are going. I just meant that the newcomers should respect what the founders and fans have put into it.

I think that being covered in the papers will mean that some people will check it out, they might like it, they might not (I know, sounds crazy,etc). If it's just scenesters checking the new(ish) sound they'll probably move on when something new comes out.

Let's face it, dubstep's going to sound shite on most tv's so a lot of folks will miss the point entirely if it gets that big. These are pretty small pieces in the papers, I've seen longer club reviews to be honest. May well be of staggering unimportance to most readers.

If it does get big, I doubt that anyone's going to purposefully try and make commercial tunes (although some will be popular) and if they do there'll still be some keeping things underground and moving in new directions.

I wouldn't worry about it too much, there's enough headz out there keeping it fresh.

I don't really see why newcomers are necessarily going to give respect to the fans and founders - doesn't happen in most scenes that blow up, so I don't see why this would be any different. We're along way from having dubstep nights at the local small town meat-markets anyway.

tone.def · Post by **tone.def** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 10:12 pm

media coverage isn't necessarily bad. i mean, the average person isn't going to read an article about dubstep and dive headlong into the scene cuz it's the "new craze." and honestly, in my opinion, the genre is less accessible than drum&bass so i'm not worried about over exposure.

really d&b only broke into the "mainstream" (if you can call it that) through the jazzy/ambient coffee table shit (bukem etc.) in the mid-90s. there's really non of that in dubstep, and the big crossover artist is supposed to be skream. hardly coffee-table music.

i think most new fans of dubstep are sort of coming in from other genres. jaded from years of shit d&b, house, garage etc. i'm coming from 10 years of d&b, and since i'm already deep into dub/downtempo/hip-hop and other tangent genres, it's pretty easy for me to get into. i first heard about it years ago on DOA, but didn't dive in until i read a great review of "Burial" on pitchfork.com.

i wouldn't worry, but it's a given that all genres go through weird phases and eventually split or die altogether from over-exposure and stagnation. it'll happen to dubstep sooner or later, so enjoy it while it's still fresh.

el sub sta · Post by **el sub sta** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:56 am

I think its a good thing, but music you cant really dance to will have a limited appeal.

Thats the general impression people have about the scene.

With all this waste media coverage....

With all this waste media coverage....

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