Toooo many Un-original "producers" in dubstep

[reptilian]

comparing hendrix to mainly club based dance music made me chuckle

its all music!

so you think comparing bartok's work from 1918 to hixxy's toytown is in any way possible or worthwhile?

It's definitely possible, whether it would be worthwhile or not depends on the context and what exactly you are thinking about

Seckle was talking about the artistic process - it applies to all styles of music

At the end of the day music is music

This goes back to what people have been saying about people who just listen to and are influenced by dubstep and then set out to make dubstep and how it can end up very boring

Hendrix is an artist who synthesised lots of different styles of music into something original. I would say the same about the dubstep pioneers such as Digital Mystikz, Skream, Benga etc

[aftee]

All the new dubstep producers have to start somewhere...How can you possibly blame somebody for trying to imitate sounds and such from well established producers when they first start out? If they didn't look up to people as they first begin producing their sound won't evolve. Doing this helps you learn new techniques and what not because on the way to imitate your favorite dubstep artists, you realize that you can't. Once this happens you take all of the techniques and tips you've learned along the way and start to push and develop your own sound.

If there were 100 dubstep artists who all sounded exactly the same down to a tee with shit music then that is one thing, but you can't sit and bitch because a bunch of up and coming producers don't have amazing label-worthy tracks from the get go. It takes time and took time for every artist that is out there now, don't bitch because a few on the rise send tunes in before they're ready...it helps them know where they stand when they get rejected and lets them know that they need to stick at it and eventually the doors will open for them somewhere.

The one thing you DON'T need to be doing, though, is telling them that they are all shit and sound the same and need to halt production right now because their tunes aren't top notch even if they've been producing for 2 months.

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[Pistonsbeneath]

comparing hendrix to mainly club based dance music made me chuckle

its all music!

so you think comparing bartok's work from 1918 to hixxy's toytown is in any way possible or worthwhile?

It's definitely possible, whether it would be worthwhile or not depends on the context and what exactly you are thinking about

Seckle was talking about the artistic process - it applies to all styles of music

At the end of the day music is music

This goes back to what people have been saying about people who just listen to and are influenced by dubstep and then set out to make dubstep and how it can end up very boring

Hendrix is an artist who synthesised lots of different styles of music into something original. I would say the same about the dubstep pioneers such as Digital Mystikz, Skream, Benga etc

I think music is largely based on context...the reason i think you can't compare certain music that i actually like very often in both cases is because it's making a statement in it's own time...

it is no longer punk to make punk rock for example...music is so contextually dependent that comparing music from different eras is irrelevant

[-dubson-]

All the new dubstep producers have to start somewhere...How can you possibly blame somebody for trying to imitate sounds and such from well established producers when they first start out? If they didn't look up to people as they first begin producing their sound won't evolve. Doing this helps you learn new techniques and what not because on the way to imitate your favorite dubstep artists, you realize that you can't. Once this happens you take all of the techniques and tips you've learned along the way and start to push and develop your own sound.

If there were 100 dubstep artists who all sounded exactly the same down to a tee with shit music then that is one thing, but you can't sit and bitch because a bunch of up and coming producers don't have amazing label-worthy tracks from the get go. It takes time and took time for every artist that is out there now, don't bitch because a few on the rise send tunes in before they're ready...it helps them know where they stand when they get rejected and lets them know that they need to stick at it and eventually the doors will open for them somewhere.

The one thing you DON'T need to be doing, though, is telling them that they are all shit and sound the same and need to halt production right now because their tunes aren't top notch even if they've been producing for 2 months.

yessss definatly

imagine what would of happened if in like 1999 or 2000 if all the garage heads in south london would have gone
"those teenagers are copying El B and their tunes dont sound as good, lets tell them not to make tunes like that."

dubstep probs would be here

[q23]

What producers do is create a template that works, and begin churning out tracks. This has occurred in every genre of music ever created.

Not liking some new kids choon because it sounds like Benga would be like saying P Funk sounds like James Brown, not liking Snoop Dog because he sounds like Slick Rick, not liking the Monkeys because they sound like the Beatles, not liking Erykah Badu because she sounds like Billie Holiday...you get the picture. I can like one or the other but not both? (completely rediculous)

At some point, Erykah Badu stopped sounding like Billie Holiday and started sounding like Erykah Badu, Snoop Dog stopped sounding like Slick Rick and started sounding like Snoop Dog, and P funk stopped sounding like James Brown and started sounding like P Funk.

Cliff Notes: People will write jams that sound like their influences until they evolve and develope their own style.

[seckle]

I agree with what Silkie said, "dont listen to dubstep for your influences'
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[kapital]

What producers do is create a template that works, and begin churning out tracks. This has occurred in every genre of music ever created.

Not liking some new kids choon because it sounds like Benga would be like saying P Funk sounds like James Brown, not liking Snoop Dog because he sounds like Slick Rick, not liking the Monkeys because they sound like the Beatles, not liking Erykah Badu because she sounds like Billie Holiday...you get the picture. I can like one or the other but not both? (completely rediculous)

At some point, Erykah Badu stopped sounding like Billie Holiday and started sounding like Erykah Badu, Snoop Dog stopped sounding like Slick Rick and started sounding like Snoop Dog, and P funk stopped sounding like James Brown and started sounding like P Funk.

Cliff Notes: People will write jams that sound like their influences until they evolve and develope their own style.

This.

I remember watching the Red Bull vid where Skream was talking about how in the beginning he was trying to recreate some garage.

Another vid Mala was talking bout how in the beginning he was trying to rejuvenate jungle.

Or Kode 9 in an interview talked about how Burial was bringing his version of garage as well.

They all evolve. That comes with time.

[soundbwoy]

yeah but skream wasn't churning out tunes on internet labels ennit
he got completely sick
then we heard about him
now we hear about anyone who wants us to cause you just log into digital-tunes and up whatever you want

[silkie]

first u copy ur idols get it wrong then copy urslf and get it right!

[soundbwoy]

u dun no ^^

[kapital]

yeah I suppose thats the difference....cats gotta develop and wait.

[silkie]

the problem is there is this concept of a dubtep noah of arch and people feel like the boat is gonna leave the dock soon so whether they are ready or not they have gotta get as much people as possible hear there music or ill be left behind. first impressions is alot so if u let the mass hear the raw material before its toned up their opinion of u is hard to shake and may for years even though u have vastly improved not listen to ur stuff when they see ur name.

[DhrSiN]

Talented producers:
Substep Infrabass
Level 67
Skevist
Rocla
CEK

[soundbwoy]

yo this^ (what silkie said)
that's so true, as far as artists I like, I can't think of a single case in which it hasn't been this way... there's so much music, I don't have time to listen to stuff that shows promise but hasn't had its full potential realized. it's like drinking berr expensive wine before it's aged or whatever.

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"substep infrabass"
with a name like that mans isn't even gonna check lol....

[Pistonsbeneath]

yo this^ (what silkie said)
that's so true, as far as artists I like, I can't think of a single case in which it hasn't been this way... there's so much music, I don't have time to listen to stuff that shows promise but hasn't had its full potential realized. it's like drinking berr expensive wine before it's aged or whatever.

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"substep infrabass"
with a name like that mans isn't even gonna check lol....

Level 67 have a tune called spliffbender

[DhrSiN]

"substep infrabass"
with a name like that mans isn't even gonna check lol....

What? Substep Infrabass is a badass name for a badman producer!

[Dark Reign]

All the new dubstep producers have to start somewhere...How can you possibly blame somebody for trying to imitate sounds and such from well established producers when they first start out? If they didn't look up to people as they first begin producing their sound won't evolve. Doing this helps you learn new techniques and what not because on the way to imitate your favorite dubstep artists, you realize that you can't. Once this happens you take all of the techniques and tips you've learned along the way and start to push and develop your own sound.

If there were 100 dubstep artists who all sounded exactly the same down to a tee with shit music then that is one thing, but you can't sit and bitch because a bunch of up and coming producers don't have amazing label-worthy tracks from the get go. It takes time and took time for every artist that is out there now, don't bitch because a few on the rise send tunes in before they're ready...it helps them know where they stand when they get rejected and lets them know that they need to stick at it and eventually the doors will open for them somewhere.

The one thing you DON'T need to be doing, though, is telling them that they are all shit and sound the same and need to halt production right now because their tunes aren't top notch even if they've been producing for 2 months.

I agree.

Also If I dont like something I wont buy it, there are alot of producers I love and some i dont. I dont mind sifting through a bunch of shit to find the goods, its half the fun of finding tunes. Some of those tunes you people are hating on are good to some people and some of the stuff you like I might think is shit. Its all a matter musical taste and opinion

"substep infrabass"
with a name like that mans isn't even gonna check lol....

What? Substep Infrabass is a badass name for a badman producer!

Ya he is. Why would the name of a producer influence your decision to check them out? Thats like judging a book by its cover. I know alot of sweet Producers, DJs and bands with wierd names that are fucking awesome

[apathesis]

If your talking about quality control, its down to the dj's

This. A thousand time this.

Producers make tunes. Some play their own tunes out but most of the dubstep we hear getting played is from smaller DJ's (unless you only go to big raves) and it's their choice what they play.

[pumice]

If it wasn't for my extreme bass addiction, I'd never listen to dubstep. Most is a very cheaply produced replication of un-original beats and ideas in electronic music over a decade ago. Get off your shitty high horse and let people experiment with whatever they want. You, and nobody else will ever have control of music.