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sideband harmonics and...

Post by collective » Thu Jun 11, 2009 10:14 pm

Well how to bring them out to achieve a fuller sound in the mastering process. Maybe this has been discussed and I have looked and looked for information and failed to find anything.



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Post by macc » Thu Jun 11, 2009 10:25 pm

Sorry, sideband harmonics?

Are you FM'ing your whole tune? :lol:

EDIT: sorry :oops: What do you mean?
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Post by 3za » Thu Jun 11, 2009 10:30 pm

Are you FM'ing your whole tune?
im going to try that any one know any thing that can do this .

i think he is on about saturation or EQing little spikes at say 40 80 160 320 ect........

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Post by collective » Thu Jun 11, 2009 10:36 pm

Macc wrote:Sorry, sideband harmonics?

Are you FM'ing your whole tune? :lol:

EDIT: sorry :oops: What do you mean?

i dont know if you know shawn hatfield, he goes by TWERK, very prominent master engineer, when talking to him about what his approach to mastering some music he commented on increasing sideband harmonics, I had no idea what he was talking about.

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Post by macc » Thu Jun 11, 2009 10:37 pm

3za wrote:
Are you FM'ing your whole tune?
im going to try that any one know any thing that can do this .
LFO > amplitude

set it bloody fast, ie approaching/equal to audible frequency values and revel in the madness :)
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Post by macc » Thu Jun 11, 2009 10:38 pm

collective wrote: i dont know if you know shawn hatfield, he goes by TWERK, very prominent master engineer, when talking to him about what his approach to mastering some music he commented on increasing sideband harmonics, I had no idea what he was talking about.
Twerk rings a bell.

Did he mean harmonics in the side channel perhaps?
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Post by 3za » Thu Jun 11, 2009 10:57 pm

LFO > amplitude

set it bloody fast, ie approaching/equal to audible frequency values and revel in the madness
i dont get that. lfo to amplitude sounds like a trance gate

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Post by macc » Thu Jun 11, 2009 11:04 pm

3za wrote:
LFO > amplitude

set it bloody fast, ie approaching/equal to audible frequency values and revel in the madness
i dont get that. lfo to amplitude sounds like a trance gate
Do it at, say, 1kHz.

That's some seriously fast trance :lol:

What happens when modulating audio that fast is that you get sidebands, that is, the audio 'breaks into' mathematically related components called sidebands.

Although actually I am not concentrating and that is amplitude modulation (AM) not frequency modulation (FM), sorry :oops: Same principle though, even if the maths and sonic implications are somewhat different.

Sorry for the mistake :oops:
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Post by collective » Thu Jun 11, 2009 11:04 pm

Macc wrote:
collective wrote: i dont know if you know shawn hatfield, he goes by TWERK, very prominent master engineer, when talking to him about what his approach to mastering some music he commented on increasing sideband harmonics, I had no idea what he was talking about.
Twerk rings a bell.

Did he mean harmonics in the side channel perhaps?

possibly... but i remember him saying "increasing sideband harmonics"... is how he had put it.


so is he just talking about soft saturation of some sort? I'd like to read about the science behind whatever he is talking about.

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Post by macc » Thu Jun 11, 2009 11:07 pm

collective wrote: possibly... but i remember him saying "increasing sideband harmonics"... is how he had put it.
Well, I don't know what he's talking about unless he meant side channel. Sideband harmonics sounds more like radio transmitter talk to me (see above).
so is he just talking about soft saturation of some sort? I'd like to read about the science behind whatever he is talking about.
*Subtly* distorting the side/S/difference/L-R (same thing) channel can be useful in making things appear wider, yes. Not much more to it than that, though be careful with it or you dislocate the M and S components completely. Less is more etc.
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Post by macc » Thu Jun 11, 2009 11:10 pm

BTW sorry being so terribly terribly pedantic :oops:
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Post by 3za » Thu Jun 11, 2009 11:14 pm

Macc wrote:
3za wrote:
LFO > amplitude

set it bloody fast, ie approaching/equal to audible frequency values and revel in the madness
i dont get that. lfo to amplitude sounds like a trance gate
Do it at, say, 1kHz.

That's some seriously fast trance :lol:

What happens when modulating audio that fast is that you get sidebands, that is, the audio 'breaks into' mathematically related components called sidebands.

Although actually I am not concentrating and that is amplitude modulation (AM) not frequency modulation (FM), sorry :oops: Same principle though, even if the maths and sonic implications are somewhat different.

Sorry for the mistake :oops:
yeah thats AM. im going to try using a super fast lfo to amp that might sound cool. i going to start a new thread on this as i have derailed this one enoght now.

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