drksteppa wrote:kamala wrote:
i'm feelin' the need to express my distaste for corporations throwing dubstep shows.
Scion has done a few tours in the states now, and although they tend to book good dj's and producers, they go about throwing their events in mainstream clubs (at least in los angeles) that attract people in to dubstep that are not about the music at all, but instead about the trend. These types of mainstream venues tend to pull in crowds that have no love for the music subculture they are jumping into, and therefore do not treat the community with respect.
This leaves our scene open to more violence and drama at parties than would happen if it were kept as an underground, word of mouth community. At the recent scion show in Los Angeles there was a number of fights, people shoving other people around and elbowing on the dance floor, people throwing food at each other, and other behavior that just demonstrates a blatant disregard for the actual dubstep community. When the true LA dubstep promoters throw their parties, even at 800 person warehouse shows, it's still a family thing. It's still got good vibes where people are coming together for the common love of something, and are unified by that common love. At mainstream venues there is no community or common love, just wolves out for their night of hunting.
I have been partying in LA for over 10 years now, and from what I have seen the most violence always occurs at events where corporations like clear channel get involved and try to blow the spot up and cash out on our movement. In fact, the drum and bass scene here was greatly effected by a violent murder that happened at a clear channel venue.
The recent scion tour was linked to clear channel and utilized a number of clear channel venues, and anyone who knows about clear channel knows they are just one of those corporate vampires who feeds off the vulnerability of the masses. They control a huge chunk of the american media and have repeatedly demonstrated that they have no respect for the underground culture that fuels our music. If they had respect for the music and culture they would go about getting involved in a way that doesn't blow the spot out of proportion all quick-like, but instead feeds it as it grows and develops.
i know that these types of tours are appealing to performers as they get to travel and are paid very well, but i would strongly encourage any dj that is offered the opportunity to think thoroughly about what they are doing to the culture by perpetuating corporate involvement. corporate parties like this put a mainstream magnifying glass on our tightly knit subculture which quickly blows it up and burns it out, and in the long run leaves the true soldiers high and dry.
i am not saying that mainstream is bad, or that dubstep should be kept a secret. But what i AM saying is that we should not allow the direction of our music and culture to be controlled by corporations who have no genuine connection to it. We should be supporting each other and sticking together, keeping it in the hands of the community and keeping it real.. so that WE are the ones who benefit for the long haul when dubstep comes up.
just my $0.02 .. take it or leave it ..
Very well said amy! I can't stand these moronic-thuggish-ruggish to punkrock cats coming out and showing NO respect to the dubstep community and making it worst for the rest of us. This is what kills the scene and ereyone around it. I did and did NOT enjoy the joker show this past week. Why? I was standing up by the stage and some moronic idiot comes out of nowhere, starts dancing by pushing me. I asked him nicely about 4-5 times to "please stop pushing while you are dancing" then he continues it. By the 6th time, I asked him again and he calls me a "homophobe." right then an there, I had my fists cluntched and rdy to brawl cause him and his boys got up in my face so i took my palm to his homies face and said "Back the fuck up bitch"While this whole thing is going on, I asked the guy "Do you see anyone else doing the same thing your doing" and he replies with "stfu" If homie wanted to brawl, I aint with it but, if it comes at me, I aint gonna bitch out. Imma brawl with the fool. But srsly tho, YOU COME CORRECT OR YOU DONT COME AT ALL! this is why events NEED to be 21+!!! maturity level of the crowd is whack when it is 18+. The dubstep scene doesnt need a buncha fuckin morons ruining the scene. Im sorry! shit like this pisses me off.
I agree darksteppa... but you don't have to under 21+ to be an asshole.. thats for sure..
age is not the issue here, it's the mentality of the newer people that do not understanding whats going on..
skream was 18+, and the same shit was not going down.. but that show was all dubstep heads for the most part, and everyone there was there for the music.. not coz it was a free show, and something to do ...
nothing against free shows either, when promoted proper, they can be dope too.. like the ventura beach parties..
but when you blindly market a show towards a certain age demographic, just to make sure that your corporate event has people to see the logo's, you tend to get the kind of people that you really rather not hang out with..
I like when a dubstep head turns the music on to a friend or two at a time.. maybe bring a new head to a show.. thats the way you make it bigger, properly..
I make dubstep coz I love to make music and have been doing it for a long time... I don't do it for the fame, girls, cash, or gigs or any of that shit.. I do it, coz thats what I do.. if in the end I get some of the it's just a bonus..
no matter what, I will always make music.. You can love it, hate it, trash it, treasure it, pay for it or steal it.. I'll still make it..
and I think all rave shows should be all ages, coz thats how I go into the culture anyway... 15 y/o wit glowsticks and a sm:)e
