corporations throwing dubstep events

[geoff]

Which DJs have done Scion shows in L.A?

[♫♪♫]

I don't think the corporate shows are all that bad...

Plus, this Cuke is delicious!

[prisoner]

im far more interested in finding out what Zomby played and the fact that he did actually show up & play.

this us vs them corporate bs is boring tbh....

[godflesh fiend]

im far more interested in finding out what Zomby played and the fact that he did actually show up & play.

hahahahaha.................that's what I was wondering?!

[sam xl]

Does Zomby usually show up and and play in a V for Vendetta mask, that's what we got...he played what "y'all" call funky...

[jaybird]

Fuck everyone and their PC bullshit.
BENGA DESTROYED IT TONITE AS DID SKREAM ON TUESDAY, 16BIT & J DA FLEX THE OTHER WEEK, FLYLO, GASLAMP & RAS G THE WEEK BEFORE, ON AND ON THE LIST GOES ON...

SCION AND THE REST OF YOU COCKSUCKING MINIONS CAN DO WHAT YOU DO BEST...SUCK IT!

PURE FILTH CRUSH'S ALL YOUR SORRY ASS ATTEMPT'S WITH YOUR WEAK FUNCTION ONE'S, TURBO RIG'S WHATEVER...I DON'T CARE HOW MUCH MONEY YOU HAVE TO SPEND...
BRING IT ON AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO BASH YOU UNTIL YOU EITHER WAKE THE FUCK UP OR UNTIL U GO BACK TO ORANGE COUNTY.

THIS IS A PUBLIC SERVICE ANOUNCEMENT...DO NOT TRY AND TEST THE PURE FILTH SOUND, COS WHEN IT COME TO SOUND BIZZNESS IT IS WE THAT RUN THE SCENE.

YOU CAN TAKE YOUR BOTTLE SERVICE V.I.P BULLSHIT AND FUCK THE FUCK OFF.
YEAH I SAID IT...WOT?
YOU WANNA CLASH?
YOU AIN'T GOT THE FUCKIN' MINERALS.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ truth

[foolish]

Guy Fawkes mask on zomby for sure.
It was definitely along the funky/ tribal house tip. He even tried to throw 1UP and a Dizzee track song, but everyone sat around and scratched their heads.
Then he put the funky stuff back on.
He totally threw the dial up to 11 for a little while. It was fun watching the engineer, promoter, etc. try to deal with a masked man who wouldn't turn it down

[set records]

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its not about controlling a scene. it's about keeping it in the hands of the people instead of passing it on to the hands of corporations. grass roots. strait up.

and music doesn't belong to us, we belong to it..

Who the fuck do you think works for those corporations or pulls the levers that get the cogs and wheels moving toward shit like this?

Sure, corporations exist to exploit shit. I bet they even had a meeting on what to exploit next. Someone prolly stood up and said "Dubstep" in that meeting. I'm guessing... just fucking guessing that maybe the person who stood up and said "hey, it would be nice to throw a dubstep party" happens to like Dubstep.

It's most likely not some fucking guy in a suit, just so you know. At least that's been my experience with Red Bull, Ableton, etc... throwing events. It's always some guy who actually loves music promoting that shit. Just because they wear a fucking suit during the day at work, or just because they work for a company that exists to put food on their fucking table, that doesn't mean they are trying to exploit anything. They are trying to associate their brand with being cool. Just like Ableton, Just like Rane... etc... nobody talks shit on them for throwing events. Really just stfu about corporate selling out. Honestly. Who gives a fuck?

Haters.

[jaybird]

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its not about controlling a scene. it's about keeping it in the hands of the people instead of passing it on to the hands of corporations. grass roots. strait up.

and music doesn't belong to us, we belong to it..

Who the fuck do you think works for those corporations or pulls the levers that get the cogs and wheels moving toward shit like this?

Sure, corporations exist to exploit shit. I bet they even had a meeting on what to exploit next. Someone prolly stood up and said "Dubstep" in that meeting. I'm guessing... just fucking guessing that maybe the person who stood up and said "hey, it would be nice to throw a dubstep party" happens to like Dubstep.

It's most likely not some fucking guy in a suit, just so you know. At least that's been my experience with Red Bull, Ableton, etc... throwing events. It's always some guy who actually loves music promoting that shit. Just because they wear a fucking suit during the day at work, or just because they work for a company that exists to put food on their fucking table, that doesn't mean they are trying to exploit anything. They are trying to associate their brand with being cool. Just like Ableton, Just like Rane... etc... nobody talks shit on them for throwing events. Really just stfu about corporate selling out. Honestly. Who gives a fuck?

Haters.

coz it's culture theft.. so we give a fuck..

[surface_tension]

Jaybird, how is it culture theft to bring a lineup full of awesome DJs on an awesome system and hang a Scion sign in the venue?

Every promoter would be a culture thief. Budweiser, Stella, Red Stripe... all culture thieves. Get over it. If all is as you say it is, here in 6 weeks you won't have anymore Scion shows to contend with. Otherwise just stfu and don't go. I support that shit fully. I don't look at the name of the promoter on a flyer. Maybe you do. I look at Who, What, Where, When and Why...

Who is playing, what they are playing, where they are playing, when they are playing, and why are they playing... obviously to entertain me and others. Doesn't matter what the sign on the wall is in my opinion. I don't give a fuck if it's Pure Filth or Smog or the CIA running the event, so long as the sound is on point. If you buy a car because some company threw a party that's your dumb ass. I myself am smart enough to take the free party and give them no support in the end. Who loses there?

I say the corporation.

Bu ask yourself, Scion is owned by Toyota right... what was the first company to exploit the youth market and the environmental movement with Hybrid cars?

Toyota. Exploiting the youth since 1997. Clearly it's not about the environment or higher fuel economy standards, all they want to do is sell cars.

[kamala]

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its not about controlling a scene. it's about keeping it in the hands of the people instead of passing it on to the hands of corporations. grass roots. strait up.

and music doesn't belong to us, we belong to it..

Who the fuck do you think works for those corporations or pulls the levers that get the cogs and wheels moving toward shit like this?

Sure, corporations exist to exploit shit. I bet they even had a meeting on what to exploit next. Someone prolly stood up and said "Dubstep" in that meeting. I'm guessing... just fucking guessing that maybe the person who stood up and said "hey, it would be nice to throw a dubstep party" happens to like Dubstep.

It's most likely not some fucking guy in a suit, just so you know. At least that's been my experience with Red Bull, Ableton, etc... throwing events. It's always some guy who actually loves music promoting that shit. Just because they wear a fucking suit during the day at work, or just because they work for a company that exists to put food on their fucking table, that doesn't mean they are trying to exploit anything. They are trying to associate their brand with being cool. Just like Ableton, Just like Rane... etc... nobody talks shit on them for throwing events. Really just stfu about corporate selling out. Honestly. Who gives a fuck?

Haters.

the only people hatin are the ones comin in here tryin to dog on peoples characters for stating their concern about something. obviously people give a fuck, even if you don't. nobody has called anyone sell outs, thats you guys putting words into our mouths. i have said myself more than once in this thread that this is not in the air of an anti-scion sentiment or an attempt to talk shit on people coming up, but rather a calling attention to and questioning something big that is happening in our subculture. I stated my opinion, that i feel very uneasy about having corps involved, you guys have stated yours, it's a discussion. this is a discussion board. so no, we're not going to stfu.

ableton and rane have a product that is directly related to dubstep in a very integral way, where as scion and clear channel do not. if a multi-national corporation is dipping their fingers into something that people have spent years to build for themselves through hard work and passion, even if the guys at the bottom are into dubstep, its still a corporation getting involved and an obvious marketing ploy, and really should be something that at the very least is brought to the attention of the community. sorry man but the shit needs to be said, corporations and big business ultimately make it so individual businesses and independents can't survive in their shadow, and although that hasn't happened yet in the dubstep scene, the potential is there. not to mention the potential that this may bring in a huge influx of people IN MASS, which often causes shit to get way out of hand, to prematurely peak, and prematurely fall. we should pay attention to what the fuck is going on and not just graze right over it. whether you feel OK with it is your choice... but there is no need to try and suppress the opinions of those who don't.

[surface_tension]

Scion sells cars to younger generations of people Kamala. They have an obvious interest in trying to associate themselves with being cool. That's not any different than most of the influx of DnB producers who come to reese up "our movement"

This music doesn't belong to us as I believe you said above. This isn't OUR movement. Nobody owns "this" as if there is a THIS. This isn't a group and we won't all have a group mentality about things like this. People who try and take possession of a genre of music make me ill tbh.

First time I went to Dubwar was in 2006 at Avalon in NYC. Normally Avalon is a clubber type venue... guidos and shit. So as normal, they all showed up on pills and we talked with a lot of them in the line. They had no idea what Dubstep was. They were working overtime on their gum and lollipops. They came inside and Moldy beat them into a frenzy before Dave Q, Loefah and then Joe Nice destroyed them. You would go to the bathroom and hear geeked out raver types screaming across the bathroom "holy shit, what the fuck is this music this is awesome"

I shit you not, I've seen LOTS of those people back out at Dubwar time after time. Some of them go every time. People can't get into Dubstep if they never hear it. Frankly, I'm a lot more concerned about those who try and keep music tight to their chest than uneducated listeners. Get educated.

Most importantly, Kamala and Jaybird don't own dubstep, even a fraction of it. You are a mere extra among players on the stage in this scene. Just like everyone else mind you. Nobody owns this shit. If Mala made this thread I'd laugh in his face too. NOBODY owns this. Nobody should be excluded from the ability to throw a party.

What if I win the lottery, like millions of dollars and I take that money and use it to throw party after party... would I be exploiting the scene? Would the State Lottery?

[jaybird]

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its not about controlling a scene. it's about keeping it in the hands of the people instead of passing it on to the hands of corporations. grass roots. strait up.

and music doesn't belong to us, we belong to it..

Who the fuck do you think works for those corporations or pulls the levers that get the cogs and wheels moving toward shit like this?

Sure, corporations exist to exploit shit. I bet they even had a meeting on what to exploit next. Someone prolly stood up and said "Dubstep" in that meeting. I'm guessing... just fucking guessing that maybe the person who stood up and said "hey, it would be nice to throw a dubstep party" happens to like Dubstep.

It's most likely not some fucking guy in a suit, just so you know. At least that's been my experience with Red Bull, Ableton, etc... throwing events. It's always some guy who actually loves music promoting that shit. Just because they wear a fucking suit during the day at work, or just because they work for a company that exists to put food on their fucking table, that doesn't mean they are trying to exploit anything. They are trying to associate their brand with being cool. Just like Ableton, Just like Rane... etc... nobody talks shit on them for throwing events. Really just stfu about corporate selling out. Honestly. Who gives a fuck?

Haters.

the only people hatin are the ones comin in here tryin to dog on peoples characters for stating their concern about something. obviously people give a fuck, even if you don't. nobody has called anyone sell outs, thats you guys putting words into our mouths. i have said myself more than once in this thread that this is not in the air of an anti-scion sentiment or an attempt to talk shit on people coming up, but rather a calling attention to and questioning something big that is happening in our subculture. I stated my opinion, that i feel very uneasy about having corps involved, you guys have stated yours, it's a discussion. this is a discussion board. so no, we're not going to stfu.

ableton and rane have a product that is directly related to dubstep in a very integral way, where as scion and clear channel do not. if a multi-national corporation is dipping their fingers into something that people have spent years to build for themselves through hard work and passion, even if the guys at the bottom are into dubstep, its still a corporation getting involved and an obvious marketing ploy, and really should be something that at the very least is brought to the attention of the community. sorry man but the shit needs to be said, corporations and big business ultimately make it so individual businesses and independents can't survive in their shadow, and although that hasn't happened yet in the dubstep scene, the potential is there. not to mention the potential that this may bring in a huge influx of people IN MASS, which often causes shit to get way out of hand, to prematurely peak, and prematurely fall. we should pay attention to what the fuck is going on and not just graze right over it. whether you feel OK with it is your choice... but there is no need to try and suppress the opinions of those who don't.

oi.. give this girl a beer..

the last thing I'd like to see is something like... TONIGHT'S AWESOME DUBSTEP LINEUP PRESENTED BY EXXON

[surface_tension]

oi.. give this girl a beer..

the last thing I'd like to see is something like... TONIGHT'S AWESOME DUBSTEP LINEUP PRESENTED BY EXXON

I guess in the end, my whole position is this:

Who appointed you two Dubstep official sellout patrol?

Any individual or group of individual interests has the right to spend their money how they want. If they want to throw a party, they are free to do so. If they want to advertise something to me, they are free to do so. Will you change your level of consumption based on that advertisement?

Well that is your own fault. I don't believe in baby proofing the house, nor do I want to baby proof dubstep. Signs will hang where they hand. You can't see them if you are dancing or at home not participating. If you'd standing around beard stroking by the sign, only then do you even know who or what Scion is. FACT.

Again... FREE PARTY. You pay nothing to that corporation for the ability to go to that show. As payment, you see signs hanging up. Go douche the sand out of your vagina and fucking man up Jay.

[jaybird]

What if I win the lottery, like millions of dollars and I take that money and use it to throw party after party... would I be exploiting the scene? Would the State Lottery?

no.. think about what your saying.. "if I did it.. if I won it..." dood, your a person, not a multi-billion dollar corporation.. so actually if you did that, it might be pretty cool.. coz you would be giving back to your people..

in a world where pretty much everything has been bought out, took over, exploited, and drained for every penny.. can't we keep the music, and shows that the people made up, and created in the hands of the people?

in the 90's hardcore was our music, jungle, breakbeat hardcore and the like.. you can hear within the evolution of the music in that culture the day that the corporations got involved.. if you start with '92 classics, and work your way towards '99.. you'll hear it around 1997-1998.. right about when the scene started to take a dump on it's self..

[setspeed]

What if I win the lottery, like millions of dollars and I take that money and use it to throw party after party... would I be exploiting the scene? Would the State Lottery?

no.. think about what your saying.. "if I did it.. if I won it..." dood, your a person, not a multi-billion dollar corporation.. so actually if you did that, it might be pretty cool.. coz you would be giving back to your people..

in a world where pretty much everything has been bought out, took over, exploited, and drained for every penny.. can't we keep the music, and shows that the people made up, and created in the hands of the people?

in the 90's hardcore was our music, jungle, breakbeat hardcore and the like.. you can hear within the evolution of the music in that culture the day that the corporations got involved.. if you start with '92 classics, and work your way towards '99.. you'll hear it around 1997-1998.. right about when the scene started to take a dump on it's self..

WORMHOLE WAS A TOYOTA ADVERT????

[kamala]

Go douche the sand out of your vagina and fucking man up Jay.

you know, this is why you've been banned from this board so many times. can't you make a point without throwing personal insults around?

anyway yes, scion is free to do whatever they want to do, but we are also free to speak out against something we don't like. the people are free to choose to effect how their community develops. the people are free to protest, and that's what makes this america. don't you see that this is on a much larger scale than dubstep? big money wants us to be complacent, they want us to be silent, they want us to be apathetic, they want us to just idly sit there while they TAKE OVER everything, they want us to conform, they want us to follow their lead, they want us to consume, and they want us to be ignorant about it. They don't want us to gather together independently, they don't want us to form our own opinions, they don't want us to rally up or take a stand, and they don't want us to have any power. When big business infiltrates the underground it goes beyond just dubstep and it goes beyond just our little scene. it's not 'pussy' to stand up for what you believe in. and it's not pussy to try and effect change. quite the opposite, really.

[surface_tension]

What if I win the lottery, like millions of dollars and I take that money and use it to throw party after party... would I be exploiting the scene? Would the State Lottery?

no.. think about what your saying.. "if I did it.. if I won it..." dood, your a person, not a multi-billion dollar corporation.. so actually if you did that, it might be pretty cool.. coz you would be giving back to your people..

in a world where pretty much everything has been bought out, took over, exploited, and drained for every penny.. can't we keep the music, and shows that the people made up, and created in the hands of the people?

in the 90's hardcore was our music, jungle, breakbeat hardcore and the like.. you can hear within the evolution of the music in that culture the day that the corporations got involved.. if you start with '92 classics, and work your way towards '99.. you'll hear it around 1997-1998.. right about when the scene started to take a dump on it's self..

If you're a real fan of dubstep and you look at a lineup int he UK, for say like.. any random Thursday night it seems, they consistently beat the shit out of anything we'll ever hope to get outside of WMC or a festival... you don't want that just once? You don't want that in your backyard?

All diamonds got blood on em man. Try proposing to a woman without one. It's not likely to happen. Sometimes I go to church man. That doesn't mean I subscribe to a religious philosophy. I drive, that doesn't mean I like oil.

Do you even have a real bad thing to say about the show they threw, other than who threw it?

[surface_tension]

Kamala they want to associate themselves with you, like that outcast kid at school and you're like the fucking bully that gets off on slapping them in the face and saying "go on hit me man, fight back" but they know if they hit you it won't just be you, it'll be all your friends.

They just want to associate their brand with Dubstep. You don't own it, nobody does, not all of us, not one of us. Music just is. Nobody has any right to say what goes and what doesn't. Especially you. Especially me. You don't like it, please don't go. As for me, I wish I wasn't wiping my baby and his ass down all night and could have had a chance to go beard stroke in the corner. It would have made my fucking life to be able to go out and party just then, first time in almost a year really going out. Yea, I don't give a shit if it's George Bush throwing the party. I don't care. I love Dubstep, but I don't own it. Neither do you.

[human?]

in the united states, the drinking age is 21 because it was raised to prevent drunk driving deaths amongst young people. we are pretty much reminded of this with whether or not every event is 18 or 21... alot of smart people think the age should be put back to 18, because now young kids binge drink and die.

why is toyota sponsoring getting people wasted?

red bull, i get it... liquor & beer... lol of course i get it...

cars? cause the venue obviously is selling drinks? i mean every time ive been to scion parties everyone is gettin super wasted lol... its fun and all but yo, people die drinking and driving and i cant recall even a single mention of safety, isnt this their opportunity to do that?

kinda hard to emphasize public transportation when your schtick is selling cars "united by individuality" lol

oh and wheres my electric car?