any anti-capitalists/socialists in here?

missedthebus · Post by **missedthebus** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:10 pm

Everyone should read this book (well really three books in a book):
Micheal Hardt and Antonio Negri - Empire.

Here is a link to a full .pdf:

http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/negri/ ... ntable.pdf

Then assess your ideological political leaning once having read the book.

phase 2 · Post by **phase 2** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 1:09 am

Lui wrote:I'm anti-stupidfuck. I know that sounds like smartass forum bullshit, but philosophically, being anti-stupidfuck actually solves everything. Pure socialist states are just as evil as pure corporate ones. Capitalism does a lot of harm, but it can't be abandoned completely in a material world. Just don't be a stupid fuck and you are setting the right political example for the world. Oppress people? No don't be a stupid fuck! Steal and invade? No don't be a stupid fuck! Cook meth and crack and pump it into ghettos? Rape and destroy people and the environment? Use your corporate power to create wars for profit. I mean its actually obvious right? The answer is simply no don't be a stupid fuck!

Agreed.

I can't be doing with the anti-capitalist crowd. Just a load of complainers with no workable solutions/alternatives. Bored middle-class kids, innit.

kins83 · Post by **kins83** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 7:23 am

Phase 2 wrote:
Lui wrote:I'm anti-stupidfuck. I know that sounds like smartass forum bullshit, but philosophically, being anti-stupidfuck actually solves everything. Pure socialist states are just as evil as pure corporate ones. Capitalism does a lot of harm, but it can't be abandoned completely in a material world. Just don't be a stupid fuck and you are setting the right political example for the world. Oppress people? No don't be a stupid fuck! Steal and invade? No don't be a stupid fuck! Cook meth and crack and pump it into ghettos? Rape and destroy people and the environment? Use your corporate power to create wars for profit. I mean its actually obvious right? The answer is simply no don't be a stupid fuck!
Agreed.

I can't be doing with the anti-capitalist crowd. Just a load of complainers with no workable solutions/alternatives. Bored middle-class kids, innit.

I like you two.

tr0tsky · Post by **tr0tsky** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 7:46 am

Phase 2 wrote:
Lui wrote:I'm anti-stupidfuck. I know that sounds like smartass forum bullshit, but philosophically, being anti-stupidfuck actually solves everything. Pure socialist states are just as evil as pure corporate ones. Capitalism does a lot of harm, but it can't be abandoned completely in a material world. Just don't be a stupid fuck and you are setting the right political example for the world. Oppress people? No don't be a stupid fuck! Steal and invade? No don't be a stupid fuck! Cook meth and crack and pump it into ghettos? Rape and destroy people and the environment? Use your corporate power to create wars for profit. I mean its actually obvious right? The answer is simply no don't be a stupid fuck!
Agreed.

I can't be doing with the anti-capitalist crowd. Just a load of complainers with no workable solutions/alternatives. Bored middle-class kids, innit.

That's bollocks.

Anyway, I'm an anti-capitalist and a revolutionary socialist.

45 inches · Post by **45 inches** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:32 am

hurlingdervish wrote:yes im anti-capatalism and socialism

idealists never win

they create horrible futures like brave new world

have to look at what fits NOW and go from there

couldn't agree with you more, not everyone can accept an ideology so ideological and idealistic regimes need to use terror to implement their views on people. but yes, I think capitalism needs to highly regulated to stop raging inequalities and boom/bust economies.

adikt · Post by **adikt** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:47 pm

Phase 2 wrote:
Lui wrote:I'm anti-stupidfuck. I know that sounds like smartass forum bullshit, but philosophically, being anti-stupidfuck actually solves everything. Pure socialist states are just as evil as pure corporate ones. Capitalism does a lot of harm, but it can't be abandoned completely in a material world. Just don't be a stupid fuck and you are setting the right political example for the world. Oppress people? No don't be a stupid fuck! Steal and invade? No don't be a stupid fuck! Cook meth and crack and pump it into ghettos? Rape and destroy people and the environment? Use your corporate power to create wars for profit. I mean its actually obvious right? The answer is simply no don't be a stupid fuck!
Agreed.

I can't be doing with the anti-capitalist crowd. Just a load of complainers with no workable solutions/alternatives. Bored middle-class kids, innit.

Lui i agree with completely...Phase 2 i certainly do NOT. Of course there are the bored middle class kids that are anti-capitalist. But as with everything...its fucking stupid to generalize to saying that applies to all anti-capitalists. I've met fucking rich people that are smart enough to realize humanity should not be a cut-throat game of Monopoly!

reverend dale · Post by **reverend dale** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:57 pm

I am upper middle class WASP tory you tax dodging commie fucks.

tr0tsky wrote: Anyway, I'm an anti-capitalist and a revolutionary socialist.

Tanky

nousd · Post by **nousd** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:00 pm

Committed anti narco-syndicalist,
evolving pragmatic realist,
occasionally wellandtrulypist

karmacazee · Post by **karmacazee** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:15 pm

Black Mass: Apocalyptic Religion and the Death of Utopia by John Gray is an astoundingly good read. Just try not to shout out "fucking bastards!" when you're on a train full of commuters whilst reading it (it will make you want to do that...)

hurlingdervish · Post by **hurlingdervish** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 4:09 pm

thank god no one has suggested reading Ayn Rand.

feral witchchild · Post by **feral witchchild** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:05 pm

Anyone who still thinks communism and/or socialism in general could somehow work in this day and age...or in any day and age considering the woeful fucking FAILURES of all the nations who have tried it is a fucking idiot.

limb · Post by **limb** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:37 pm

Feral Witchchild wrote:Anyone who still thinks communism and/or socialism in general could somehow work in this day and age...or in any day and age considering the woeful fucking FAILURES of all the nations who have tried it is a fucking idiot.

Cuba?

Or Hugo Chavez in Venezuela

reverend dale · Post by **reverend dale** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 7:43 pm

limb wrote:
Cuba?

Or Hugo Chavez in Venezuela

It's better to ask why capitalism works and to provide examples... you'll get a typical westerncentric white rich man's answer.

"What's the most dangerous thing in America?"

hurlingdervish · Post by **hurlingdervish** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 8:31 pm

before the crazies come out....

ill beat em to it

p.t.b.d · Post by **p.t.b.d** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:09 pm

hurlingdervish wrote:before the crazies come out....

ill beat em to it

lolwut

the acid never lies · Post by **the acid never lies** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:40 pm

Lui wrote:Pure socialist states are just as evil as pure corporate ones.

Wrong. We have never had a 'pure' socialist state - at least not how Marx envisaged.

cosmic_surgeon · Post by **cosmic_surgeon** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:52 pm

I'd consider myself anti-capitalist, but I am also religously, ideologically, politically agnostic - I try not to follow dogma, ideas are all relative to me and so as someone else posted, I don't like to label.

The thing that drives my reasoning is the idea that society reflects us as a people. I believe political and economic systems are merely the branches, not the root of error. They are, in my eyes at least, the manifestation of the current state of our psyche and thus it does not to do to try and change the world before we change ourselves.

the acid never lies · Post by **the acid never lies** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:55 pm

Cosmic Surgeon wrote:The thing that drives my reasoning is the idea that society reflects us as a people. I believe political and economic systems are merely the branches, not the root of error. They are, in my eyes at least, the manifestation of the current state of our psyche and thus it does not to do to try and change the world before we change ourselves.

Interesting insight - never seen it put quite like that

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