You vegitarians scare me

wolf89 · Post by **wolf89** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 1:02 pm

J-sh wrote:people starve while you use up land and water to grow a cow for your food.

waste.

Yeah, but in all honesty of all the stupid crap we waste money or resources on instead of helping people this is one of the least silly things.

I've heard that more money is spent on buying porn every year in England than is given to charity. So as a nation we could be using our money helping people all over the world who are dying or living in poverty but instead we chose to spend it on wanking.

That's the real waste.

kay · Post by **kay** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 1:26 pm

I think that as a nation we should use our money to fix what's wrong in our nation before even trying to help the rest of the world. If you can't fix what's wrong at home, what's the chances of fixing what's wrong elsewhere?

Besides, the internetz is for free porn.

Pada · Post by **Pada** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 1:35 pm

kay wrote:I think that as a nation we should use our money to fix what's wrong in our nation before even trying to help the rest of the world. If you can't fix what's wrong at home, what's the chances of fixing what's wrong elsewhere?

Besides, the internetz is for free porn.

Because we are better off than most of the world.

No point trying to build a utopia!

firky · Post by **firky** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 3:10 pm

Wolf89 wrote: I've heard that more money is spent on buying porn every year in England than is given to charity. So as a nation we could be using our money helping people all over the world who are dying or living in poverty but instead we chose to spend it on wanking.

That's the real waste.

That's quite (unintentionally) funny when you put it like that

bright maroon · Post by **bright maroon** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 3:13 pm

..porn is actually a symptom of economic depravity..

In times of limited financial opportunities, sex industries spike..

and...in times of Good economic fortune..serial killing spikes..

...they say the two points are connected..

apparently - the phenomenon of "ripping" - Jack the Ripper type crimes - increased like 10 fold when women went to work as typests in the late 18hundreds/early 20th century...

so yeah...vegetarians

firky · Post by **firky** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 3:17 pm

bright maroon wrote:..porn is actually a symptom of economic depravity..

In times of limited financial opportunities, sex industries spike..

and...in times of Good economic fortune..serial killing spikes..

...they say the two points are connected..

apparently - the phenomenon of "ripping" - Jack the Ripper type crimes - increased like 10 fold when women went to work as typests in the late 18hundreds/early 20th century...

so yeah...vegetarians

Never heard any of the above "theories" before, do you have a link to an article or anything? I'd be interested in reading it if so!

bright maroon · Post by **bright maroon** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 3:17 pm

add japanese..here

heroine saves world from tentacle monster..

oh..most of my info came from a book about the history of serial killing...give me a minute to look it up for you..the exact title is generic...

bright maroon · Post by **bright maroon** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 3:32 pm

here it is my friend..a very good read btw..

Serial Killers: The Method and Madness of Monsters (Paperback)
by Peter Vronsky

http://www.amazon.com/Serial-Killers-Me ... 84&sr=8-44

..yeah the crime of ripping apparently started when these financially independent women started wearing a certain type of fashion that was considered foreign..men would walk by them and rip - grab them and rip their clothes..this sort of crime kept escalating until, well..you get the picture right..uppity whores in fancy clothing got hated on..

firky · Post by **firky** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 3:33 pm

Cheers, I will take a look for it!

I have read lots of books on sociology and never come across anything like that before. If anything I'd say the first spark of porn becoming socially acceptable to the mainstream (behind closed doors) would have been in 1736 when the Gin Craze was at it's height thefore it would contradict that book because economic protectionism actually seeemed to lower people's moral behavior in what was deemed socially acceptable to a society - which in turn led to the Gin Craze and lots of proles getting pissed out their skull and shagging... somesay it's why we have a drinking culture like we do in this country.

Be interesting to read what it has to say about porn!

(Author sounds like a serial killer himself)

hurlingdervish · Post by **hurlingdervish** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 3:36 pm

i wonder if serial killers are more or less likely to be vegetarians

something tells me the would lean towards vegetarian.....

firky · Post by **firky** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 3:39 pm

Firky wrote:Cheers, I will take a look for it!

I have read lots of books on sociology and never come across anything like that before. If anything I'd say the first spark of porn becoming socially acceptable to the mainstream (behind closed doors) would have been in 1736 when the Gin Craze.)

Bit about the Gin Craze (the link to porn is my own theory but if you read around the topic you'll see where I am comign from)

The Gin Craze: Drink, Crime & Women in 18th Century London

http://culturalshifts.com/archives/168

bright maroon · Post by **bright maroon** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 3:57 pm

OH WAIT!! FIRKY!! YOUR NOT MY FRIEND!!

..you called me all kinds of fucked up shit...

It's alright...internet as buffer for the greatly dysfunctional.

..your talking about promiscuity and class,
..I'm talking about society and serfdom.

firky · Post by **firky** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 3:59 pm

cityzen · Post by **cityzen** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 4:01 pm

bright maroon · Post by **bright maroon** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 4:12 pm

...and how does the Gin craze correlate with economic protectionism?

Gin wasn't popular until what?

porn - no

I do see a connection though..

Not with sex industry and economic protectionism..
Maybe with Gin and excessively promiscuous lower class..

firky · Post by **firky** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:13 pm

bright maroon wrote:...and how does the Gin craze correlate with economic protectionism?

Gin wasn't popular until what?

porn - no

At that time the cost of basic living was in decline, food was coming down in value and the working classes had a bigger income than they did under previous tudor poor laws - the proles suddenly had money as a disposble income and like we do today, spend it on booze (in their case gin).

Gin became popular because of William of Orange and also because it was chiefly a British drink and therefore more popular than say French Brandy or Spanish Port. Us Brits hate(d) Europeans remember! The debauchery that came as a result of gin became such a concern that laws were passed to limit the consumption of gin, in a hope that it would stop people behaving in a "ill-moral" way. The law still exists today in some form - you still need a licence to sell alcohol in this country and to destill alcohol (you can brew but not destill). The licenses were very expensive so this was passed onto the consumer.

The Sex industry during the Gin Craze saw a rise in customers and when the gin act was passed, that too declined. This etching tells most of the story:

Woman too drunk to look after her baby and too "indescent" to clothe herself, people pawning their goods in order to buy gin, disease, buildings falling down and crime is rife.

The sex industry at this time was of course mainly prositutes and rent boys, but also engraved pictures (first porn mags!) all of which were to finance the gin! Then it sort of declined but it never died.

Good bit on it here:

Gin, originally known as genever, was invented in Holland by a doctor named Franciscus de la Boe, also known as Dr. Sylvius. It was primarily a Dutch thing, with little exposure to the rest of the world. That all changed in 1689 though, when William III-a Dutchman-took over the English throne. The King made it the official pouring spirit at the palace, and later decided to introduce the drink to the masses, in what turned out to be a pretty huge mistake.

You see, previous to this watered down beer was the beverage of choice across most of Europe. The alcohol in the beer made it safe to drink (as opposed to water) and yet the alcohol content was low enough to make it hydrating. So in what sounds like actually a pretty entertaining existence, people lived life pretty much perpetually buzzed. As alternatives to beer you had wine and brandy (which were almost exclusively French, so unavailable during the dozens of wars), Port and Madeira (the American colonial drink of choice) from Portugal, and Sherries from Spain-all of which were stronger but also more expensive and not available regularly to the common man.

So when William III brough gin to the masses, he thought he was doing them a favor, while at the same time thumbing his nose at France as he increased taxes on French brandy to fuel an increase in English gin production. As it turns out, with it being so easy to make (it's just neutral spirits steeped in juniper berries and other botanicals) and virtually untaxxed, within 20 years it became readily available in large quantities at very low prices to everyone in London. Adding fuel to the fire was the fact that you had a series of economic policies resulting in decreased food prices and increease incomes, so people had a fair amount of disposable income. By 1725 you had over 6,000 shops where gin and other spirits were sold-and that's in just London, at the time a city of 700,000 people roughly the size of Columbus, OH. And that doesn't take into account the people selling gin like 18th century ballpark hot-dog vendors on the streets, nor the market stalls and even wheelbarrows (seriously) that people wheeled around town full of gin for sale.

So as you can imagine, this sort of becomes a problem. As Lord Harvey wrote at the time, "drunkenness of the common people was universal; the whole town of London swarmed with drunken people from morning till night." The cities population began to plummet as people literally drank themselves to death, at sunrise each morning bodies lined the streets of the working class neighborhoods of London, both living and dead while the gutters were filled with shit and vomit. Women, whom actually drank more gin than men (it was also called Mother Genever and Mother's Ruin), were consistently miscarrying as they drank themselves senseless and destroyed their fetuses. In case you think I'm overblowing isolated pockets, this wasn't an isolated things-this was occuring across nearly the whole of London.

Whole industries went bankrupt as their employees wouldn't show up to work, instead choosing to drink gin all day. There are even a dozen reports of spontaneous combustion in London that were reported in London and attributed to gin, which was being distilled most everywhere it possibly could be within the city, and with no regards whatsoever to quality. So as you can see, England had a wee bit of a problem on their hands. While I think we're all pretty much universally united in agreement that drinking is good, having the majority of your workforce be consistently plastered, unwilling to work, unable to pro-create, and dying in the streets isn't exactly a feather in the cap of a King.

In response, the Crown drew up Gin Acts in 1729, '33, '36, '37, '38, '43, '47, and 1751. The problem is, the proletariat didn't like the Crown trying to take away their gin, and in 1743 riots erupted across London resulting in several deaths and a great deal of damage as people took advantage of the last of the cheap gin. At the time of the riots, an estimated 11 million gallons of gin were being made in London, or approximately 14 gallons for each adult male. By the time the Gin Act of 1751 was passed, excise taxes on gin had grown 1200% since the year 1700. In the end though the laws, paired with a few bad harvests resulting in a large decrease in disposable income, worked and by 1757 the Gin Craze had faded.

wolf89 · Post by **wolf89** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:26 pm

CityZen wrote: Put simply, stop eating beef and dairy products and co2 emissions will go down a hell of a lot,

I will never do that!

I'm also gonna buy a 70s Mustang with some of my inheritance money I get soon too...

I'm not very good for the environment it seems.

j-sh · Post by **j-sh** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 7:18 pm

Wolf89 wrote:
CityZen wrote: Put simply, stop eating beef and dairy products and co2 emissions will go down a hell of a lot,
I will never do that!

I'm also gonna buy a 70s Mustang with some of my inheritance money I get soon too...

I'm not very good for the environment it seems.

Good for you mate, be proud of yourself

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