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feral witchchild · Post by **feral witchchild** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 9:42 pm

I still have no idea what y'all mean by go mad. lpl

slyman · Post by **slyman** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 10:27 pm

Feral Witchchild wrote:I still have no idea what y'all mean by go mad. lpl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vlcBdlgZkM lol he does crack me up tho

kingthing · Post by **kingthing** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 11:50 pm

i know people that smoke all day everyday and it doesn't affect them, not one little bit - in fact one of my mates wakes up, has a doob in his boxers (so he doesn't stink of it), then goes to work, and repeats the same thing at lunch.

and then i've got mates who've nearly been sectioned, straight out. psychosis ain't a nice thing to watch happening to anyone, nevermind someone you've grown up with.

it has different effects on different people for sure. i used to 'need' it everyday, especially writing beats. now i can barely touch the stuff (skunk at least), and i feel much better for it, trust me.

whatever you say though, it'll fuck your chest and it'll DEFINITELY fuck your teeth. show me somebody who's habitually smoked weed for 5-10 years and i'll show you some fooked gnashers, no two ways about it, doesn't matter how much you floss after eating...

plus you never meet many people over the age of 30 who can smoke skunk everyday. all the free parties i used to go with were full of hippies smokin hash, never the green. take heed

mooseforyebs · Post by **mooseforyebs** » Sun Jul 05, 2009 4:23 am

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allisfullof · Post by **allisfullof** » Sun Jul 05, 2009 5:12 am

kingthing wrote:i know people that smoke all day everyday and it doesn't affect them, not one little bit - in fact one of my mates wakes up, has a doob in his boxers (so he doesn't stink of it), then goes to work, and repeats the same thing at lunch.

not to be a dick, but how can you say it's not affecting these people when they feel the need to blaze first thing in the morning, blaze at work on lunch, blaze every opportunity they can, all day every day? i've been there before and would hardly say that when you're smoking that much herb, you're not being affected by it....

kingthing · Post by **kingthing** » Sun Jul 05, 2009 12:03 pm

I hear ya, obviously being addicted is being affected, i've been there too, but on a 'mental health' level (removing addiction as a mental health issue), he's perfectly sane.

Basically what i'm saying is that he ain't going mad, he's not paranoid, depressed, withdrawn or has any of the other side effects you'd associate with long term use of skunk.

But as I said, its a case by case basis 'cos I know people who are exactly the opposite.

People will always smoke it and fair play to them, who are we to tell them otherwise, but if anybody ever asks my opinion, i tell them its a wasters drug and to steer clear.

Key word being drug.

peas

MidnightMassDubstep · Post by **MidnightMassDubstep** » Sun Jul 05, 2009 2:05 pm

kingthing wrote:i know people that smoke all day everyday and it doesn't affect them, not one little bit - in fact one of my mates wakes up, has a doob in his boxers (so he doesn't stink of it), then goes to work, and repeats the same thing at lunch.

and then i've got mates who've nearly been sectioned, straight out. psychosis ain't a nice thing to watch happening to anyone, nevermind someone you've grown up with.

it has different effects on different people for sure. i used to 'need' it everyday, especially writing beats. now i can barely touch the stuff (skunk at least), and i feel much better for it, trust me.

whatever you say though, it'll fuck your chest and it'll DEFINITELY fuck your teeth. show me somebody who's habitually smoked weed for 5-10 years and i'll show you some fooked gnashers, no two ways about it, doesn't matter how much you floss after eating...

plus you never meet many people over the age of 30 who can smoke skunk everyday. all the free parties i used to go with were full of hippies smokin hash, never the green. take heed

Dad's been smoking weed regularly since he was a teen, and he's 50 odd now. No bullshit, it's not particularly cool, it's kinda wierd.
But yeah his teeth are quite nice so I think that's not always true. maybe he's an exception. But yeah he smokes weed every other night or so.
He doesn't know I smoke weed, or that I nick it off him.

On topic, I make a really good tune stoned, then the fucking program crashes, or it's crap. Happens every time.

feral witchchild · Post by **feral witchchild** » Sun Jul 05, 2009 2:08 pm

slyman wrote:
Feral Witchchild wrote:I still have no idea what y'all mean by go mad. lpl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vlcBdlgZkM lol he does crack me up tho

Ahahahahaha this man is now my hero.

ill boding · Post by **ill boding** » Sun Jul 05, 2009 3:19 pm

my dad smoked for years now stopped recently with no problem his and my teeth are all good (whats left of his anyway he is in his late 60s bless him) its one of things we are gonna have to agree to disagree, wouldnt recommend anyone smokes too much and i think addiction to anything can send you weird i just dont think weed sends you skitz (anyone hears of any stories of me flippin out and charging around naked screaming have got the right to say i told you so)

back to the original subject i dont make a point of blazin before i make a beat it does help sometimes just as long as i dont get too fucked up

jsaxton · Post by **jsaxton** » Sun Jul 05, 2009 7:23 pm

mad loads of sugary drinks

cola - red bull - fanta

anything with a quarter of my daily allowence

JFK · Post by **JFK** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:10 pm

nowaysj wrote:^ straight up, the soda is probably worse for your body! Don't even get me started.

What is it with hash, I don't understand how the high is supposed to be different, it is just thc saturated resin no?

Its different because of the way its prepared. Weed is a much more natural high and the smoke tends to be smoother and sweeter tasting. Hash is much more "heavy" and tends to make you more relaxed and docile as opposed to weed which is more "buzzy"

Its like comparing drinking beer and drinking scotch. They both have alcohol but the effects are quite different.

DZA · Post by **DZA** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 5:12 pm

Smoking my first spliff in a year n half now i remember why i quite, its fucking natsy

setspeed · Post by **setspeed** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 5:46 pm

ill boding wrote:one last thing .i do agree with you that can be addictive tho and the whole thing about it being linked to mental illness aint something i take lightly iam just sayin i havent seen any definite proof that its the sole cause of sending someone mad thats all

here's one for starters

http://www.schizophrenia.com/sznews/arc ... 02684.html

it's never 'the sole cause'. there is very rarely a sole cause of anything. you normally have to have some kind of underlying condition:

Overall people were 4.5 times more likely to be schizophrenic at 26 if they were regular cannabis smokers at 15, compared to 1.65 times for those who did not report regular use until age 18.

POND LIFE · Post by **POND LIFE** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 7:19 pm

nowaysj wrote:^ straight up, the soda is probably worse for your body! Don't even get me started.

What is it with hash, I don't understand how the high is supposed to be different, it is just thc saturated resin no?

i saw a documentary which seemed quite well informed, which said that while THC is a psychotic (i.e. contributes towards your psychosis, anyone who hasnt quite got the point yet), CBD and maybe other cannabinoids are anti-psychotic, and therefore if you smoked completely natural weed (not skunk, how it was hundreds of years ago) it would not contribute towards your psychosis, at least nothing like to the degree that skunk does.

skunk has been bred to have more and more (frankly ridiculous levels of) THC while ignoring CBD, and is therefore a potent psychotic. hash, as far as i know, has not been. the forms of hash that keeno smokers and growers make out of THC is obviously another story, but i believe most hash in the UK is diluted north african and asian hash, made from natural cannabis plants.

therefore it wont send you mad, at least not as fast, as skunk.

it's never 'the sole cause'. there is very rarely a sole cause of anything. you normally have to have some kind of underlying condition:

right, we're not saying that it will turn everyone bonkers. however you don't have to be a previously anxious, paranoid person. the friend of mine that was affected perhaps worst (i cant tell you for sure because the one who had the worst episodes i had to stop speaking to out of fear), before he started smoking, was the most outgoing, confident, active, sporty, kinda guy you could have hoped for. i literally watched him turn from that into a state that i dread to remember. paranoid delusions so ridiculous you couldnt make them up if you write scripting a film.
its not reversible either. he's now perfectly sane but he'll never be the same person he was. quiet, usually reluctant to go out and do anything, and still unable to go a serious length of time without smoking despite knowing it's destroyed him.

extremely fucking nasty shit boys and girls. im never one to preach but
you need to respect the psychotic qualities of that stuff, after seeing this happen to so many people it just pisses me off when people disregard it as 'oh its only weed, its natural, its fine, ive smoked it all my life and im sane'.
it's not only weed, its a mind altering substance, you cant be on a mind altering substance all day every day, that should be fucking common sense.
its not natural, its been selectively bred for decades in a way that has inadvertently magnified its psychotic qualities.
whether youve smoked it all your life is irrelevant, because it doesnt affect everyone, but unless you have no friends you should be thinking about them too, because if it fucks them up, christ you will feel like the biggest fucking idiot. i know i do.

slyman · Post by **slyman** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 7:27 pm

i read an article the other day that they found cannabis does not cause any type of mental illness dont remember where it was tho

stapleface · Post by **stapleface** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 7:35 pm

it doesn't cause it.
It just brings out the mental illness already in the person's genes
but there are so many mental illnesses everyone's bound to have one

is the way i see it, i know weed has definitely made me crazy

but i buns it cos i loves it. although when i produce mashed i can only write nursery rhyme style tunes

lol

ayonic · Post by **ayonic** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:26 am

PHASEten wrote:
nowaysj wrote:^ straight up, the soda is probably worse for your body! Don't even get me started.

What is it with hash, I don't understand how the high is supposed to be different, it is just thc saturated resin no?
Its different because of the way its prepared. Weed is a much more natural high and the smoke tends to be smoother and sweeter tasting. Hash is much more "heavy" and tends to make you more relaxed and docile as opposed to weed which is more "buzzy"

Its like comparing drinking beer and drinking scotch. They both have alcohol but the effects are quite different.

i've always thought it was the other way round. whenever i smoke hash i usually feel less heavy than weed after the comedown

theshizoid · Post by **theshizoid** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 8:44 am

Well when producing I'm completely sober except for energy and caffeine.
I probably drink tea the most followed by coke. Coffee is rather unusual, gets me really wicked thirsty after drinking a mug.

I like Ruskos producing "habits". I think it was an Production Master Class where he says that lots of sugary drinks, sweets and a pack of cigarettes for the smokers under us is the best, in his opinion.
I kinda follow to that.

When people need the green stuff or something else or just like it while producing, have a gogo if you get something decent out of it ^^

JFK · Post by **JFK** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:07 am

theshizoid wrote:Well when producing I'm completely sober except for energy and caffeine.
I probably drink tea the most followed by coke. Coffee is rather unusual, gets me really wicked thirsty after drinking a mug.

I like Ruskos producing "habits". I think it was an Production Master Class where he says that lots of sugary drinks, sweets and a pack of cigarettes for the smokers under us is the best, in his opinion.
I kinda follow to that.

When people need the green stuff or something else or just like it while producing, have a gogo if you get something decent out of it ^^

Yeah Ive seen that Rusko video too. Right at the end he makes a cup of tea and a spliff (I think he calls it a d'jay jay) I laughed my ass off when I saw that for the first time. Rusko is a legend.

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