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deamonds · Post by **deamonds** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:22 pm

yea i think sticky has done a remix of bbh

erm, not too sure who produced the other bits

wouldnt mind some of them on instrumental though.

blackdown · Post by **blackdown** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:24 pm

deamonds wrote:Just not really feeling it as much as some of the tougher, more percussive beats. Although I can see why they are so appealing.

yeah. i just like the ability to go BBK > Cooly G > Kowton > Sully > Maxwell D > Roska > MJ Cole. And back again.

deamonds · Post by **deamonds** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:31 pm

Blackdown wrote:MJ Cole

been playing a lot of his tunes lately. Especially wookies remix of Sincere

slothrop · Post by **slothrop** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:40 pm

Uncle Bill wrote:
Slothrop wrote:
su wrote:Agreed. No problem with funky being on offer. But here's my worries: I'm saving up to come to FWD in the near future. Now I tremble. Will it have shut down by then cos all the punters have moved 'next door' to hear Joy Orbison? Or will FWD themselves have changed their sound to prevent that from happening? Or has that already happened and I just don't know sitting here in exile?

FWD is definitely following the evolution, probably helping to drive it. Most weeks these days you seem to get a bit of funky, a bit of garage, a bit of wonky, a bit of wobble, a bit of undefineable stuff somewhere in the middle... nice trend.

Yeah, that's spot on. Clubs having a broad approach is key to having a strong music scene.

Not even broad so much as forward thinking (the clue's in the name I guess). I've heard sets that are all over the shop stylewise but basically pretty predictable, but I've also heard sets that are straight up one style - jungle, say, or techno, but push it further and dig deeper and come out with something really exciting. I guess I kind of like having an envelope to push - it's maybe a bit easy for an 'anything goes' attitude to lead to nothing being suprising any more.

But that's nitpicking, really. Basically, big up the people pushing something new.

unknown soulja · Post by **unknown soulja** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:41 pm

yeah got to say i wasnt really feeling many of the Maxwell D vocals, its nice to have a big slew of versions to get involved with tho.

I agree with Gabriel who was talking on his blog about appreciating vocalists trying to bring the jamaican approach to versioning riddims to funky, even if the produucers of said riddims (Lil Silva) dont appreciate it!

deamonds · Post by **deamonds** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:42 pm

yea definately, heatwave are nutty good.

unknown soulja · Post by **unknown soulja** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:43 pm

yeah scarily on point, their rerubs are always spot on; party harder is killer!

deamonds · Post by **deamonds** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:44 pm

yea see, i really like that, shame it drops a bit weird

corpsey · Post by **corpsey** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:51 pm

chris deon wrote:...

so why do i only hear hard and rough music when i go to dubstep nights? why not throw in a vocal tune to add some flavour? the oldskool boys did it with no problem. i think that what the heavy-wobble dubstep dj's may be forgetting is that sense of mdma-fueled emotional elevation, the uplifting element of raves. it's fine to rave your tits off to heavy bangers for a while, but the heart of rave music is ecstasy (both the emotion and the drug). so when i hear a tune like 'been here before' like zed bias, and i hear that descending organ bassline drop and the diva vocal sample on top of it, i'm instantly jettisoned back in time to a warehouse in 1991. and as for 'hyph mngo', that track gives me the same feeling.

Feeling this post. 'Pillhead' music doesn't just have to be jawgrinding aggro stuff..

uncle bill · Post by **uncle bill** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 1:05 pm

Slothrop wrote:
Uncle Bill wrote:
Slothrop wrote:
su wrote:Agreed. No problem with funky being on offer. But here's my worries: I'm saving up to come to FWD in the near future. Now I tremble. Will it have shut down by then cos all the punters have moved 'next door' to hear Joy Orbison? Or will FWD themselves have changed their sound to prevent that from happening? Or has that already happened and I just don't know sitting here in exile?

FWD is definitely following the evolution, probably helping to drive it. Most weeks these days you seem to get a bit of funky, a bit of garage, a bit of wonky, a bit of wobble, a bit of undefineable stuff somewhere in the middle... nice trend.

Yeah, that's spot on. Clubs having a broad approach is key to having a strong music scene.
Not even broad so much as forward thinking (the clue's in the name I guess). I've heard sets that are all over the shop stylewise but basically pretty predictable, but I've also heard sets that are straight up one style - jungle, say, or techno, but push it further and dig deeper and come out with something really exciting.

That's true but I'm talking about clubs not individual DJs. Doesn't mean they shouldn't book DJs who are going really deep into one style. It's just nice to have some variety through the night.

Getting bored of hearing the same sound for eight hours at a time is why I stopped going to drum & bass clubs back in the day.

I'm far too old and grumpy to waste my time listening to the same beat all night now.

unknown soulja · Post by **unknown soulja** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 1:17 pm

yea see, i really like that, shame it drops a bit weird

yeah true man, i tend to just drop it at the first chorus which is kind of a shame cos i really like Rubi's little "the heatwave, dot co dot uk" bit...

gettingcolder · Post by **gettingcolder** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 1:22 pm

Blackdown wrote:sounds like the warm glow of house to me, not the chemical sythnetics of trance...

For me the warm glow of house is more like Ron Trent, Moodyman, Kerri Chandler, Nu Groove, Fingers Inc., but maybe it's pointless debating that.

Blackdown wrote:i also love dark Swamp 81 halfstep too

I really enjoyed your Pitchfork article about Swamp 81. If i'm being so nasty about Joy Orbison, it's simply because I fear that there might soon be no club left for the Swamp 81 sound (or anything in the same radical vein). That it will become too marginal to be played anywhere.

ufo over easy · Post by **ufo over easy** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 1:26 pm

su wrote: I really enjoyed your Pitchfork article about Swamp 81. If i'm being so nasty about Joy Orbison, it's simply because I fear that there might soon be no club left for the Swamp 81 sound (or anything in the same radical vein). That it will become too marginal to be played anywhere.

the whole article is about different sounds and styles coexisting. its not about the emphasis of one thing over another.

Sharmaji · Post by **Sharmaji** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 2:26 pm

seckle wrote: Bobby Konders

I always forget that before BK was a dancehall don (eternally in sweatpants), he was big in the house world. and a bit of that nyc breakbeat stuff as well... hostile takeover i think was the first 12" on massive B.

talk about an NYC continuum! house to dancehall. and now dancehalls up at like 120bpm... iiiiinteresting.

again on the US stuff, Karizma is absolutely blowing me away these days w/ stuff on the my pal joey trip. Super-syncopated, eyes-down-ish detroit styles via baltimore. and mixdowns with WAAAAAY too much bass

. Definitely some of my favorite dance music currently.

deamonds · Post by **deamonds** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 2:33 pm

TeReKeTe wrote:
again on the US stuff, Karizma is absolutely blowing me away these days w/ stuff on the my pal joey trip. Super-syncopated, eyes-down-ish detroit styles via baltimore. and mixdowns with WAAAAAY too much bass . Definitely some of my favorite dance music currently.

Hi, would you be able to point me a mix to check out?

unknown soulja · Post by **unknown soulja** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 2:41 pm

i never realised bobby konders was a house producer, altho my historical US (and tbh UK) house knowledge is pretty lacking.

yeah karizma is on fire atm !

86. · Post by **86.** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 2:55 pm

Fractal wrote:
seckle wrote: soho (aka pal joey, aka joey longo from nyc) "hot music"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWMNwJtbt_U
love this tune!

WOW never heard this before. Check this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDFbVrdLu00

this was a big tune in Canada

86. · Post by **86.** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 3:10 pm

Uncle Bill wrote:
Corpsey wrote:I love you guys

Good thread.

I think it was obviously going to piss people off that dubstep changed from what made it so special in 2005 and yeah a lot of raves now you'll hear wobble wobble wobble all fucking night but when you think about how dubstep started out as a marginal thing you can see a lot more potential in the margins that currently exist on the scene.

What really excites me is the prospect of people making tunes expressly for these DJs that are playing all kinds of stuff - chucking in samples, cheesy pianos/female vocals, garage organ stabs, breakbeats etc.

Also seeing Joker at Brainfeeder play 'Who's Afraid Of Detroit' pitched up massively - in a warehouse. That sense of freedom. Bring back House Party!
YES.

There's always more potential in the margins. That's the way music works. The best music I've heard in the last twelve months has been pretty difficult to define: Jamie Vex'd, Zomby, Rustie, Joker, Flylo, Guido, Pinch's 'Midnight Oil', Kode 9's 'Black Sun' etc.

Is this dubstep or something else? I don't know. It sounds like a lot of different ideas being smashed together, the same as my favourite music always does. Does it matter what it's caleld as long as I'm enjoying it? Not really.

I find this interesting. Especially with that other thread of people going on about The Bug, and some saying The Bug never proclaimed to be dubstep, but has been adopted by the dubstep community. To me, this FlyLo = Dubstep (not saying you said that) connection that I see more and more popped up as soon as Brainfeeder affiliated themselves with Kode 9. Maybe even further back (I know Fly Lo been a fan of Burial from time) Sure it's bass heavy, but (to me) it doesn't resemble nothing that I've heard since getting into the sound, and from listening to his entire catalogue so far a lot of his music goes past 140 bpm.. Maybe that's the point, dubstep can be whatever it wants, but I just found it interesting how somebody who doesn't necessarily sound like what's inside the scene can be adopted so easily, provided their sound moves the audience regardless. What I'm trying to get at is, all these sort of "rules", i.e. "half step, snare on third beat, etc" isn't the real focus. It's the bass that really glues everything together.

Sharmaji · Post by **Sharmaji** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 3:25 pm

sadly can't seem to find any karizma mixes online.

here's the tune "33rd st. anthem" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MF8jyAHqT_A

otherwise, peep beatport and Juno. I feel like i'm giving away my favorite secretes here

, but Groove A K ordingly and Drumz nightmare are just... wicked. I think it's very much the parallel development of this whole UK "dubbage" thing.

maybe an east-cast answer to the west-cost glitch/low end theory thing?

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 3:35 pm

86 Position wrote:
Fractal wrote:
seckle wrote: soho (aka pal joey, aka joey longo from nyc) "hot music"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWMNwJtbt_U
love this tune!
WOW never heard this before. Check this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDFbVrdLu00

this was a big tune in Canada

pal joey is the mannn. "hot music" is like a blueprint in a lot of ways. you can see its influence in daz-i-cue/bugz...you can see its influence in hiphop too. this is bilal doing a cover of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1WzERkCGdI

this is cool alicia remix of hot music.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dekaBSTpWJA

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