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asa · Post by **asa** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:25 pm

Arguing about spelling on an internet forum is the lowest form of entertainment,

Let's not let a good thread be wasted!

blackdown · Post by **blackdown** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:41 pm

geroyche wrote:alright.
before i am off to sub:stance, i am gonna try to get this thread back on track.
i have already made a comment beneath the original post (feel free to refer to it).
additionally, maybe i should point out that the territoriality issue in the post kinda rubbed me the wrong way.
it does sound a little like "screw y'all, we're london and we're moving fwd".
i know you clarified that in further comments.

i am kind of intrigued that suddenly house is supposed to be to the rescue.
and i do share some of su's thought (we're both German after all): here at least it is perceived as though the funky stuff was sophisticated and upper middle class, whereas the wobble was stupid and proletariate.
also, and i will repeat that, from a German perspective, "we" never fully understood the appeal of grime/garage (the world didn't, just compare hiphop to grime on an international stage). we did however understand the dry, machine-like sounds that dubstep carved out

there is, let's face it, a large percentage of audience that seeks "explosion" rather than "implosion", as bunzero so brilliantly put it.
i am not ready to condemn either. i will condemn any formulaic sound however, and i am glad that the generic term "dubstep" atm is broad enough to house ever-inspiring facettes.

as i sorta tried to elaborate upthread funky isnt really house and it definitely isnt middle class.

wajad · Post by **wajad** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:57 pm

yeah, from a north american viewpoint, what i'm seeing the last couple years in canada is white, middle-class college 20-somethings going to dubstep nights here (not to suggest there's anything wrong with that, and also not to suggest that dubstep is 'middle-class'). but i don't think funky is really in any way middle class. it comes from an urban environment just like dubstep, jungle & garage, and the fact that it's house-y doesn't mean it's not still very, very urban.

lightness · Post by **lightness** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:58 pm

deamonds wrote:
TeReKeTe wrote:
again on the US stuff, Karizma is absolutely blowing me away these days w/ stuff on the my pal joey trip. Super-syncopated, eyes-down-ish detroit styles via baltimore. and mixdowns with WAAAAAY too much bass . Definitely some of my favorite dance music currently.
Hi, would you be able to point me a mix to check out?

http://www.mediafire.com/?cnikttgzn52
http://www.mediafire.com/?jidkd1f31hm
http://www.mediafire.com/?yyfy2tkwwtg

three hour Karizma set somewhere sometime last year

set records · Post by **set records** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:11 pm

Blackdown wrote:as i sorta tried to elaborate upthread funky isnt really house and it definitely isnt middle class.

What IS funky then... you can define what it isn't, but if you can't define what it is and how it is different then what do you have? How will I know Funky when I hear it and tell it apart from House or Garage... what is a defining characteristic that would lead one to conclude "this is a funky tune" ?

wajad · Post by **wajad** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:13 pm

Set Records wrote:what is a defining characteristic that would lead one to conclude "this is a dubstep tune" ?

optimum · Post by **optimum** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:27 pm

This is an example of funky:

Lil Silva:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e1LLq5d-is

Hard House Banton:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-uY5Sw25Mc

And these tunes have been around for quite a while now...There's loads of different styles tho

jolly wailer · Post by **jolly wailer** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:41 pm

haha funky's emotional innit!

defoxster · Post by **defoxster** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:49 pm

Funky is much much more percussive! so lots more drums & more emphasis on them. Dubstep = all about the bassline.

more often than not anyway... I think!

set records · Post by **set records** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 11:08 pm

optimum wrote:This is an example of funky:

Lil Silva:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e1LLq5d-is

Hard House Banton:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-uY5Sw25Mc

And these tunes have been around for quite a while now...There's loads of different styles tho

This is an example of Tribal House circa 2003:

Laurent Wolf 2003:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgB0EtI0XbE

Lawnchair Generals 2004

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-27lmawEo2A

Dajae 1994

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDFHKqUK8rc

Roy Davis Jr 1996

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gGO0H49Hm0

danoldboy · Post by **danoldboy** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 11:16 pm

Blackdown, you're bored of dubstep so do something about it. Your record was as generic as any wobble tune I've ever heard. truth. The ethnic sample period in dubstep was rinsed and passed a long time ago. I find it hard to stomach your cries of mediocrity when as a producer (the voice you use so loudly these days) you're not pushing things forward yourself.

Jumping on uk funky is not the answer.

tranquera · Post by **tranquera** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 11:28 pm

Simon Reynolds says that Dubstep isn't so related to London like Grime or Funky... I agree with him at some level... Dubstep it's born in London, Croydon... But... Now it's international...

One time we had Reynolds at here in Brazil and I remember him speaking in a panel discussion that the instrumental side of Dubstep helps it going international... Like Drum'n'bass in the 90s...

It's clear that UK Garage is a mutation of US House, US Garage... British Speed Garage, 2-Step and Dark Garage are all part of the same nuum... Dubstep is the most advanced mutation in this process...

Are there people already writting about Funky? It's a sound that always were broadcasted at Rinse for years, right? Please correct me if I'm wrong...

set records · Post by **set records** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 12:07 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP-_yDvZGTI

More classic fire. You dun kno.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uscAIMWOxww

remember being on a list to get a copy of that'n.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UFo9C_K1Do

still killin this neck to this day man.

-dubson- · Post by **-dubson-** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 12:11 am

danoldboy wrote:Blackdown, you're bored of dubstep so do something about it. Your record was as generic as any wobble tune I've ever heard. truth. The ethnic sample period in dubstep was rinsed and passed a long time ago. I find it hard to stomach your cries of mediocrity when as a producer (the voice you use so loudly these days) you're not pushing things forward yourself.

Jumping on uk funky is not the answer.

wrong

jolly wailer · Post by **jolly wailer** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 12:29 am

its getting a little hairy in here..

+ I don't really get how citing old records is even relevant to this discussion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXzq2-xa ... re=related

bandshell · Post by **bandshell** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 12:45 am

To me, funky is the darker side of urban music's take on funky house, although house is urban, since urban just means concerning or relating to a densely populated area/city. It isn't much different to a fair bit of house though.

It's basically house where you can hear the grime, garage and dubstep influence.

paulie · Post by **paulie** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 11:07 am

geroyche wrote:before i am off to sub:stance

Good wasn't it? Can't believe I had to leave at 7 and am now back in London getting ready to go to a wedding.

wheelchairprince · Post by **wheelchairprince** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 12:22 pm

danoldboy wrote:Blackdown, you're bored of dubstep so do something about it. Your record was as generic as any wobble tune I've ever heard. truth. The ethnic sample period in dubstep was rinsed and passed a long time ago. I find it hard to stomach your cries of mediocrity when as a producer (the voice you use so loudly these days) you're not pushing things forward yourself.

Jumping on uk funky is not the answer.

That's not very nice is it? It's snide to bring up something that someones done and be so publicly critical of it, it's not like he's mentioned any particular names in his post so why attack him directly?

I don't like every tune on the album but you can't deny it was interesting to listen to and you can't say shit about focus.

geroyche · Post by **geroyche** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 2:13 pm

Paulie wrote: Good wasn't it? Can't believe I had to leave at 7 and am now back in London getting ready to go to a wedding.

it was magical.
http://dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?t ... c&start=40

any not totally unrelated to this thread.
you guys did a great job fueling dubstep with substance last night!

set records · Post by **set records** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 4:52 pm

WheelchairPrince wrote:It's snide to bring up something that someones done and be so publicly critical of it

Better not release it to the public then.

I believe he said the album was shit. If there were any tunes that saved it he'd have mentioned them surely.

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