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DZA · Post by **DZA** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 5:09 pm

Right this is at people who use ableton

How long did it take you to learn the basics?

What did you use before ableton?

Was it worth Learning and any regrets?

hurlingdervish · Post by **hurlingdervish** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 5:14 pm

"if people knew what this program did, it would be the only program they used"- jazzy jeff
not my favorite guy but hes right

mindblowing and somewhat annoying to learn, but its well worth your time. all the little work flow problems you've had with other programs just disappear completely

i was on fruityloops and acid before that, and i will never go back, its just too much fun.

quantizing audio files, automapped drum racks with pads that change depending on the samples your looking at, easiest midi mapping, handles just about anything you can throw at it.

did i mention its fun?

i should say it took quite a long time before i could get shit done on it

contakt321 · Post by **contakt321** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 5:29 pm

Hurling is totally right.

For me, it took me about a month to get the basics, but that's bc I switched from hardware.

After 6 months I felt comfortable, and now, a year and change later I feel advanced.

The Jazzy Jeff quote is perfect. I can't imagine using anything else. What makes Ableton great is that it's incredibly flexible and intuitive, yet totally open - allowing you to choose your own workflow. There isn't just one way to do things, there are 5 ways, actually there are infinite ways.

What astounds me on a daily basis is that I continue to find new ways to do things, and feel like I regularly think to myself "really? it's that easy?" It's so intuitive it feels wrong almost - in a good way.

yellowhighlighter · Post by **yellowhighlighter** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 5:39 pm

for programming is it that good?

i don't really care about its "live" capabilities. i don't work with samples that much. for me i can't see the huge draw of this program but i suspect i am missing something fundamental as everybody who converts to ableton has nothing but good things to say about the program.

notch · Post by **notch** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 5:41 pm

I have been using the program for 5 years and I am still learning new things everytime I use the program.

yellowhighlighter · Post by **yellowhighlighter** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 5:44 pm

you seem like some sort of rabid ableton fanboy though.

notch · Post by **notch** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 5:47 pm

yellowhighlighter wrote:you seem like some sort of rabid ableton fanboy though.

Did my sig give me away?

djerkov · Post by **djerkov** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 6:05 pm

yellowhighlighter wrote:for programming is it that good?

i don't really care about its "live" capabilities. i don't work with samples that much. for me i can't see the huge draw of this program but i suspect i am missing something fundamental as everybody who converts to ableton has nothing but good things to say about the program.

I wanna know this too.
Yeah, I have a copy and really couldn't get to grips with it for actual producing. It was the first program i bought though, so i had no idea about anything anyway. Acid seemed far more intuitive at the time.

abZ · Post by **abZ** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 6:06 pm

I used Reason for like 8 years or something like that. I wrote my first tune on Ableton 3 weeks after I switched and it was released. I was working on Reason a few weeks ago with a friend and it was painful to go back. I was really getting frustrated with how backwords Reason seems to me now.

tapir · Post by **tapir** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 6:13 pm

it really took me two sessions with another ableton user to get the basics down. BIG UP NOTCH.

before that used FL studio, reason, sonar, acid...

if i owned a mac i might try logic, but so far ableton is the best thing that has happened to my producing. ever. i love it.

legend4ry · Post by **legend4ry** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 6:15 pm

I can't get my head around it - its fuckery, I clocked Cubase in like a day, renoise in a few days.. after a year or two working on FL... logic too when I was playing around with it at a mates..

People say its simple once you know what you're doing - but it seems so overly complicated to me..

hurlingdervish · Post by **hurlingdervish** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 6:36 pm

Legendary wrote:
People say its simple once you know what you're doing - but it seems so overly complicated to me..

thats because its not designed like other programs

its not complicated just alien

once you get the hang of it, most times when you ask yourself "can i do this"

the answer is yes you can. and its usually self explanatory

notch · Post by **notch** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 7:15 pm

I would say if your new to ableton try just working in arrangement view only. That might be what throws alot of users off.. You can record in session view but quite often you will just sit there and make loops but won't actually make a track..

abZ · Post by **abZ** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 8:00 pm

notch wrote:I would say if your new to ableton try just working in arrangement view only. That might be what throws alot of users off.. You can record in session view but quite often you will just sit there and make loops but won't actually make a track..

Yeah I don't even use the session view at all. That is what put me off at first.

Disco Nutter · Post by **Disco Nutter** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 8:09 pm

I use the session view for playing out/dj-ing only.

Pretty easy to get around though. Intuitive. Switched from FL to Ableton Live and maan... things got waaay better.

DZA · Post by **DZA** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 8:40 pm

hayze99 wrote:Anyone on here switched from Reason 4 to Ableton?

I just can't stand how bloody difficult it is to sample in Reason.

This is what im trying to do

reason shit for working with samples

hurlingdervish · Post by **hurlingdervish** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 8:45 pm

you could always just rewire reason into ableton, i hear that works quite nicely and you would overcome alot of reasons negative points

Jah Billah · Post by **Jah Billah** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 8:46 pm

Tapir wrote:it really took me two sessions with another ableton user to get the basics down.

This. Half an hour with someone who know their ish could be worth years of self-studying Abletone. BIG UP REZQ!

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