The proof that fl sucks (?!)

baddub · Post by **baddub** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 4:59 pm

As it was explained in this topic the waveforms, which don't start at zero crossing cause your speakers/headphones to click.

The problem I came across in FL Studio is that it doesn't matter which vst you use. Nothing changes after bouncing the wavefrom to WAV and editing it. It doesn't even matter if it's a wave file generated in FL or any other soft. I used downloaded waveforms which started perfectly at 0. It always ends up clicking.

Taken to its logical conclusion, this would mean that every sample and generated sound causes clicking which leads to muddying your mixdown.

To illustrate:

orange graph shows peak (click) frequency of a simple sinewave, compared to its normal frequency (yellow). As can be seen, there is a lot of unwanted frequencies.

What do you think guys?

PS. Tests performed in other DAW's would be appreciated.

ninjadog · Post by **ninjadog** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 5:50 pm

Like we needed any proof fl sucks.

baddub · Post by **baddub** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 5:53 pm

like we need any posts like this one... I really want it to be constructive discussion.

Disco Nutter · Post by **Disco Nutter** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 6:02 pm

Well, a file to test with would be useful if anybody's going to bother testing it.

Jason

wheez-ie · Post by **wheez-ie** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 6:04 pm

yea...massive always has a click in fl...cant get rid of it...succckckcs

baddub · Post by **baddub** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 6:17 pm

OK, then

There is a sine to test in your DAW's

scooterjack · Post by **scooterjack** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 6:32 pm

baddub · Post by **baddub** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 6:37 pm

ScooterJack wrote:asdr

Yep, it's a partial solution, but it doesn't solve the problem itself. I really want to know if it's a problem specific only for fl.

scooterjack · Post by **scooterjack** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 6:40 pm

BADDUB wrote:
ScooterJack wrote:asdr
Yep, it's a partial solution, but it doesn't solve the problem itself. I really want to know if it's a problem specific only for fl.

if it stops the click, it's not a 'partial' solution, it is the/a solution....

future one · Post by **future one** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 6:45 pm

floops

slyman · Post by **slyman** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 6:55 pm

ScooterJack wrote:
BADDUB wrote:
ScooterJack wrote:asdr
Yep, it's a partial solution, but it doesn't solve the problem itself. I really want to know if it's a problem specific only for fl.
if it stops the click, it's not a 'partial' solution, it is the/a solution....

well wat if u don't want a sound with a slow attack or release and y should u have to do that every time wen shouldn't have to

baddub · Post by **baddub** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 7:02 pm

ScooterJack wrote:
BADDUB wrote:
ScooterJack wrote:asdr
Yep, it's a partial solution, but it doesn't solve the problem itself. I really want to know if it's a problem specific only for fl.
if it stops the click, it's not a 'partial' solution, it is the/a solution....

It doesn't stop the click it only makes it quieter (even with quite considerable attack and release values). Just compare two sines with a spectrum analyzer.

Any comparison tests with other DAW's?

3za · Post by **3za** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 7:53 pm

slyman wrote: well wat if u don't want a sound with a slow attack or release and y should u have to do that every time wen shouldn't have to

or you need is about 5ms and no clicks, that is not slow imo.

3za · Post by **3za** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 7:55 pm

BADDUB wrote: It doesn't stop the click it only makes it quieter (even with quite considerable attack and release values)

thats not true.

trike12 · Post by **trike12** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 8:04 pm

I would really like to know why people think fruity loops sucks. (except for this proplem)
i think its a good and simple daw and if you only use top notch vsts for plugins, whats left to moan about? (except this problem)

im NOT defending fruity loops, i just want to understand why its bad. (except for this problem

)

mumble · Post by **mumble** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 8:52 pm

The real proof comes from the amount of great music being made using FL

collige · Post by **collige** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 8:59 pm

trike12 wrote:I would really like to know why people think fruity loops sucks. (except for this proplem)
i think its a good and simple daw and if you only use top notch vsts for plugins, whats left to moan about? (except this problem)

im NOT defending fruity loops, i just want to understand why its bad. (except for this problem )

No mac support.

It doesn't make it suck, but it does make me not use it.

sunnyb · Post by **sunnyb** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 9:04 pm

Fruity loops doesnt suck like the previous post look how much good music comes from Fruity Loops compared to something like Reason

xzazael · Post by **xzazael** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 12:02 am

Nope. No Good Music Has Ever Come From FL Studio. I Better Download Reason.

chronicrecords · Post by **chronicrecords** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 1:11 am

Xzazael wrote:

Nope. No Good Music Has Ever Come From FL Studio. I Better Download Reason.

who the fuck is that?

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