The sound of now

k_k · Post by **k_k** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 5:04 pm

Many producers(me on occasion) use certain sounds and or techniques to place a track in a certain era. what sounds/techniques do you think producers of the future will use when trying to make their tracks sound like they come from.. now? ?

hurlingdervish · Post by **hurlingdervish** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 5:06 pm

midi that plugs into your vocal chords so you can play your voice as a synthesizer.

mico viejo · Post by **mico viejo** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 5:10 pm

hurlingdervish wrote:midi that plugs into your vocal chords so you can play your voice as a synthesizer.

i'm not sure u really understood the question.

yeah, i was thinking bout this the other day: people in 15 years are gonna be hunting down old "vintage" copies of fruity loops and entering ebay bidding wars for the future music dubstep DVD just to get that "authentic" sound.

stupid.

same as using exclusively old technology now is. tho i got nothing against mixing up new with the old. but seriously, the music that we respect from the past is generally the music that was looking toward the future when it was made. not some retro shit.

tripwire22 · Post by **tripwire22** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 5:14 pm

well if its for dubstep now its prolly gonna be mid range cack and chainsaws

DZA · Post by **DZA** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 5:16 pm

Pendulum

brightondubhead · Post by **brightondubhead** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 5:23 pm

hurlingdervish wrote:midi that plugs into your vocal chords so you can play your voice as a synthesizer.

think he meant auto-tune

ala - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBb4cjjj1gI or any t-pain stuff

brutal electro is still the sound!

hurlingdervish · Post by **hurlingdervish** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 5:27 pm

brightondubhead wrote:
hurlingdervish wrote:midi that plugs into your vocal chords so you can play your voice as a synthesizer.
think he meant auto-tune

ala - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBb4cjjj1gI or any t-pain stuff

brutal electro is still the sound!

nah man didn't mean autotune

i dont think we will be nostalgic from here on out, there will always be new advancements and that will be the sound

if anything they will look back on now and go "that stuff sounded like absolute shit, too bad they didn't know about _____ yet."

moores law son. moores law.

mico viejo · Post by **mico viejo** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 5:39 pm

hurlingdervish wrote: i dont think we will be nostalgic from here on out, there will always be new advancements and that will be the sound.

pfff, you dont know much about the history of music do you? or the history of man kind for that matter...

sorry, not got anything against you personally, but this is complete nonsense. in every single period of human history there have always been a large number of people (perhaps even a majority) who harp back to a "golden age" when everything was deemed to be better.

of course, it wasnt any better (or worse 4that matter), it was just...different.

this is not about to change

hurlingdervish · Post by **hurlingdervish** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 6:10 pm

Mico Viejo wrote:
hurlingdervish wrote: i dont think we will be nostalgic from here on out, there will always be new advancements and that will be the sound.
pfff, you dont know much about the history of music do you? or the history of man kind for that matter...

sorry, not got anything against you personally, but this is complete nonsense. in every single period of human history there have always been a large number of people (perhaps even a majority) who harp back to a "golden age" when everything was deemed to be better.

of course, it wasnt any better (or worse 4that matter), it was just...different.

this is not about to change

i know alot of music history but you cant compare now to 100 years ago or even 10 years ago, electronic music is entirely different then the history of rock and roll, jazz, classical, etc

things are changing so rapidly that people will care more of whats coming thats new rather than something that is old. this is a trend that has been continuing in the last few years especially in the electronic music realm. do you think someone would be nostalgic for the kaoss pad one when the kaoss pad 10000 is out? since its a digital device theres not really any benefit to the old version. these are different times

many things await us in music culture that we cannot see (moog guitar is an example of ridiculous advances)
that there will always be something new to focus on

there are many negatives to that, but it is the truth and the path we are on.

dont you look foward to the release of the next version of your DAW? even though you can make music fine with the one you have, the next one always looks better, would you retreat to the version that came out 4 years ago? i highly doubt it. in analog gear yes, but not in the world of soft synths and virtual studios

abZ · Post by **abZ** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 6:19 pm

hurlingdervish wrote:
Mico Viejo wrote:
hurlingdervish wrote: i dont think we will be nostalgic from here on out, there will always be new advancements and that will be the sound.
pfff, you dont know much about the history of music do you? or the history of man kind for that matter...

sorry, not got anything against you personally, but this is complete nonsense. in every single period of human history there have always been a large number of people (perhaps even a majority) who harp back to a "golden age" when everything was deemed to be better.

of course, it wasnt any better (or worse 4that matter), it was just...different.

this is not about to change
i know alot of music history but you cant compare now to 100 years ago or even 10 years ago, electronic music is entirely different then the history of rock and roll, jazz, classical, etc

things are changing so rapidly that people will care more of whats coming thats new rather than something that is old. this is a trend that has been continuing in the last few years especially in the electronic music realm. do you think someone would be nostalgic for the kaoss pad one when the kaoss pad 10000 is out? since its a digital device theres not really any benefit to the old version. these are different times

many things await us in music culture that we cannot see (moog guitar is an example of ridiculous advances)
that there will always be something new to focus on

there are many negatives to that, but it is the truth and the path we are on.

dont you look foward to the release of the next version of your DAW? even though you can make music fine with the one you have, the next one always looks better, would you retreat to the version that came out 4 years ago? i highly doubt it. in analog gear yes, but not in the world of soft synths and virtual studios

I think other dood is right. You are way off. There are nods to late 90's (10 years ago) music as well as any time period. You would be daft to think that people won't 10 years from now make a late 00's sounding tune. The question is, what defines the current sound? Not easy to answer and tbh I think we first need to hear what gets dropped for the 10's sound that makes it different. Like maybe it will simply be that straight 8th note half step sound? Maybe going forward it will all be triplet groove and full step? Maybe we get away from the 200hz snare and side chaining? To hard to say.

mico viejo · Post by **mico viejo** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 6:26 pm

hurlingdervish wrote: dont you look foward to the release of the next version of your DAW?

yeah, course. but i wasnt suggesting I was one of these retro obsessed people.

meanwhile there ARE currently people buying up old akai or emu samplers to get that authentic 90s sound (and there are a hell of a lot more who are a little less extremist but are still trying emulate these sounds using plug ins or whatever).

i see this on forums all the time. just on KVR in the last 2 weeks there have been seperate threads on "old samples" (whatevr the fuck they are), Fairlight samplers, and people wanting sounds from amiga computers and shit. there r whole subgenre's of electronic music dedicated to reviving outdated technology (8 bit stuff, hip hop that's still looking for that classic 12bit 90s sound...). even on here there's plenty of ppl wanting to know how to get those 2-step drums, or a jungle basslines sounding liek the original back in the day. and the dominant sound of the last few years in mainstream electronica has just been 80s revival. this shit is not gonna stop.

of course, there r always loads of ppl who r more forward thinkign as well, and there still will be in the future. but thats not who the OP was talkign about.

and altho i wasnt actually serious about a fruity loops revival, stranger things have happened.

brightondubhead · Post by **brightondubhead** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 6:28 pm

hurlingdervish wrote:
Mico Viejo wrote:
hurlingdervish wrote: i dont think we will be nostalgic from here on out, there will always be new advancements and that will be the sound.
pfff, you dont know much about the history of music do you? or the history of man kind for that matter...

sorry, not got anything against you personally, but this is complete nonsense. in every single period of human history there have always been a large number of people (perhaps even a majority) who harp back to a "golden age" when everything was deemed to be better.

of course, it wasnt any better (or worse 4that matter), it was just...different.

this is not about to change
i know alot of music history but you cant compare now to 100 years ago or even 10 years ago, electronic music is entirely different then the history of rock and roll, jazz, classical, etc

things are changing so rapidly that people will care more of whats coming thats new rather than something that is old. this is a trend that has been continuing in the last few years especially in the electronic music realm. do you think someone would be nostalgic for the kaoss pad one when the kaoss pad 10000 is out? since its a digital device theres not really any benefit to the old version. these are different times

many things await us in music culture that we cannot see (moog guitar is an example of ridiculous advances)
that there will always be something new to focus on

there are many negatives to that, but it is the truth and the path we are on.

dont you look foward to the release of the next version of your DAW? even though you can make music fine with the one you have, the next one always looks better, would you retreat to the version that came out 4 years ago? i highly doubt it. in analog gear yes, but not in the world of soft synths and virtual studios

dunno man, we can all agree jungle was in the past yet the likes of silkie re-introduce jungle in some of their dubstep tracks. Lets not forget dubstep (somthing newish) really came from garage and 2 step....you are right about technologies though, but just because electronic music came from technology, it doesnt mean the ideas and influences also follow the fast advancements in technology.

mico viejo · Post by **mico viejo** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 6:35 pm

abZ wrote:I think we first need to hear what gets dropped for the 10's sound that makes it different.

good point

slightly off topic, but something funny i noticed with revival off past styles is that often all kinds of random shit gets bunched together that would never have been in the same track at the time. like some1 is into "80s" sounds, so they just randomly pick any old 80s production techniques and throw them all together, whereas of course at the time (like in any other decade) there wasnt just ONE sound, but many different subcultures. like i see these 80s revival fashion fools putting on some fucking goth styles with old hip hop or metal styles and (hmmm, Justice again), whereas in reality these different subcultures all would have hated each other at the time.

nothing wrong with that i guess. but it means that in 20 years u'll probably get half step breaks with electroclash basslines and post-punk indie guitars or soemthing

hurlingdervish · Post by **hurlingdervish** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 6:45 pm

brightondubhead wrote:
dunno man, we can all agree jungle was in the past yet the likes of silkie re-introduce jungle in some of their dubstep tracks. Lets not forget dubstep (somthing newish) really came from garage and 2 step....you are right about technologies though, but just because electronic music came from technology, it doesnt mean the ideas and influences also follow the fast advancements in technology.

well maybe it wont follow as fast in the underground, but look at the use and abuse of autotune when it became extremely easy to use

anything new that comes out is bound to be done to death, most people are sick of wobbles by now...

hell when and if melodyne comes out we may grow to hate the sound going "ahhh another fuckin melodyne track"

dronehymns · Post by **dronehymns** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 6:46 pm

Two words: wobble bass.

djelements · Post by **djelements** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 9:30 pm

Mico Viejo wrote: half step breaks with electroclash basslines and post-punk indie guitars

This sounds AWESOME.

Sharmaji · Post by **Sharmaji** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 11:17 pm

if it's from the future it involves lazers.

DUH

FSTZ1 · Post by **FSTZ1** » Sun Aug 09, 2009 12:35 am

TeReKeTe wrote:if it's from the future it involves lazers.

DUH

PEW PEW PEW!

the sounds I am really feelin right now are rippy electro-ish synths, FM synthesis and basses that sound like you are in the back of a warehouse (as an example planas & quantum soul - zulu or skream - roots dyed dark)

tripaddict · Post by **tripaddict** » Sun Aug 09, 2009 12:38 am

hurlingdervish wrote:midi that plugs into your vocal chords so you can play your voice as a synthesizer.

they already do this lol

hurlingdervish · Post by **hurlingdervish** » Sun Aug 09, 2009 12:41 am

TripAddict wrote:
hurlingdervish wrote:midi that plugs into your vocal chords so you can play your voice as a synthesizer.
they already do this lol

nah it was a joke i meant literally from your throat and your mouth is the amplifier

some matrix "jack in" type shit

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