Healthcare in the USA

phase 2 · Post by **phase 2** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:20 am

There seems to be a lot of heat and BS coming from anti-reformists over there, and the old "socialism" nonsense is out in full force.

Do most liberal Americans want universal healthcare, and this is just the crazy right-wing, FOX viewers I'm seeing?

collige · Post by **collige** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:27 am

From my experiences, you seem to be right on the dot.

hurlingdervish · Post by **hurlingdervish** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:30 am

fox news is fueling the fire, giving talking points that you will hear out of the angry replubicans non stop

watching fox news is like watching a scene from V for vendetta

the changes obama proposed aren't that radical.

the acid never lies · Post by **the acid never lies** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 3:50 am

Few things more frustrating than watching the Bill O'reily show. That guy is raging bag of conservative bumblefuck

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 4:30 am

Phase 2 wrote:There seems to be a lot of heat and BS coming from anti-reformists over there, and the old "socialism" nonsense is out in full force.

Do most liberal Americans want universal healthcare, and this is just the crazy right-wing, FOX viewers I'm seeing?

fox news is not representing america, whatsoever. its good to watch that network now and then if only to see what horseshit is churning out this week, but in terms of a "majority" voice, the viewers that they represent don't hold one any longer.

hurlingdervish · Post by **hurlingdervish** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:07 am

The Acid Never Lies wrote:Few things more frustrating than watching the Bill O'reily show. That guy is raging bag of conservative bumblefuck

you obviously havent heard of their new project...

glen beck
edit

wrong link- heres the right one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3Ebo4UhloU

phase 2 · Post by **phase 2** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:47 am

hurlingdervish wrote:
The Acid Never Lies wrote:Few things more frustrating than watching the Bill O'reily show. That guy is raging bag of conservative bumblefuck
you obviously havent heard of their new project...

glen beck
edit

wrong link- heres the right one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3Ebo4UhloU

Yeah - I haven't missed Colbert/Stewart for maybe 5 years. I've seen that douche before. Always makes me... *ahem*... sorry... I just... hate far-right stnuc so much...

hurlingdervish · Post by **hurlingdervish** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:49 am

haha yea me neither

watching it right now...

magma · Post by **magma** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:12 am

Fox are actually going so far as to practically organise demonstrations/public outbursts and then deny any involvement with them.... crazy times.... love to all our cousins that want the sick taken care of....

phase 2 · Post by **phase 2** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 1:37 pm

Magma wrote:Fox are actually going so far as to practically organise demonstrations/public outbursts and then deny any involvement with them.... crazy times.... love to all our cousins that want the sick taken care of....

I remember that Tea Party shite they were pushing earlier this year.

magma · Post by **magma** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 1:48 pm

Phase 2 wrote:
Magma wrote:Fox are actually going so far as to practically organise demonstrations/public outbursts and then deny any involvement with them.... crazy times.... love to all our cousins that want the sick taken care of....
I remember that Tea Party shite they were pushing earlier this year.

Still the same old tricks apparently... telling people what to say if they want to make the most impact at a meeting, getting people to sit near the front so it looks like they hold majority opinion etc... nasty stuff. Fox shits all over democracy.

missedthebus · Post by **missedthebus** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 1:54 pm

Murdoch is the devil

dubsteptim · Post by **dubsteptim** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:22 pm

its really retarded. lots of righties/teabaggers/birthers/other crappy GOP grass roots acting a fool, screaming/yelling at their congressmen/women, etc.

theres alot of wrong/bad misinformation too.

hurlingdervish · Post by **hurlingdervish** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 3:39 pm

in the streets they call em

MUUUURRRDOOOOOCCCCHH

phase 2 · Post by **phase 2** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 5:11 pm

These Republicans make me angrier than a yak in heat. Check out the latest round of lies - attacking the NHS and saying we let people die! wtf?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/au ... can-health

The National Health Service has become the butt of increasingly outlandish political attacks in the US as Republicans and conservative campaigners rail against Britain's "socialist" system as part of a tussle to defeat Barack Obama's proposals for broader government involvement in healthcare.

Top-ranking Republicans have joined bloggers and well-funded free market organisations in scorning the NHS for its waiting lists and for "rationing" the availability of expensive treatments.

As myths and half-truths circulate, British diplomats in the US are treading a delicate line in correcting falsehoods while trying to stay out of a vicious domestic dogfight over the future of American health policy.

Slickly produced television advertisements trumpet the alleged failures of the NHS's 61-year tradition of tax-funded healthcare. To the dismay of British healthcare professionals, US critics have accused the service of putting an "Orwellian" financial cap on the value on human life, of allowing elderly people to die untreated and, in one case, for driving a despairing dental patient to mend his teeth with superglue.

Having seen his approval ratings drop, Obama is seeking to counter this conservative onslaught by taking his message to the public, with a "town hall" meeting today at a school in New Hampshire.

Last week, the most senior Republican on the Senate finance committee, Chuck Grassley, took NHS-baiting to a newly emotive level by claiming that his ailing Democratic colleague, Edward Kennedy, would be left to die untreated from a brain tumour in Britain on the grounds that he would be considered too old to deserve treatment.

"I don't know for sure," said Grassley. "But I've heard several senators say that Ted Kennedy with a brain tumour, being 77 years old as opposed to being 37 years old, if he were in England, would not be treated for his disease, because end of life – when you get to be 77, your life is considered less valuable under those systems."

the acid never lies · Post by **the acid never lies** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 6:41 pm

hurlingdervish wrote:
The Acid Never Lies wrote:Few things more frustrating than watching the Bill O'reily show. That guy is raging bag of conservative bumblefuck
you obviously havent heard of their new project...

glen beck
edit

wrong link- heres the right one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3Ebo4UhloU

Dear god... still I find it much easier to hate O'Reily what an obnoxious c**t.

That news story is

How do they get away with that!?

djelements · Post by **djelements** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 6:53 pm

From my experiences of living in the conservative south, most people are only opposed to a nationalized system in which they have to pay for people who don't pay for themselves. Your system, in which everybody pays (as far as I know) would get a lot more love if people understood it.

hurlingdervish · Post by **hurlingdervish** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 6:53 pm

The Acid Never Lies wrote: How do they get away with that!?

the average viewer couldn't even point UK out on a map thats how
and
its a free country, and there's liberal spun channels as well, as well as CNN which is more balanced than most although it has hiccups now and again

unfortunately FOX has attained CNN status with a tabloid view of the world.

dangers of a free market

everyone speaks of compromise, but is compromising really the solution when you are dealing with the borderline retarded?

the acid never lies · Post by **the acid never lies** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 6:54 pm

DJelements wrote:everybody pays.

Pi-Krust · Post by **Pi-Krust** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 6:55 pm

Phase 2 wrote:These Republicans make me angrier than a yak in heat. Check out the latest round of lies - attacking the NHS and saying we let people die! wtf?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/au ... can-health

Slickly produced television advertisements trumpet the alleged failures of the NHS's 61-year tradition of tax-funded healthcare. To the dismay of British healthcare professionals, US critics have accused the service of putting an "Orwellian" financial cap on the value on human life, of allowing elderly people to die untreated and, in one case, for driving a despairing dental patient to mend his teeth with superglue.

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Ah good old democratic America,where they don't discriminate on the basis of age,where a 15 year old has as much chance as a pensioner to be denied healthcare providing they're poor enough.Land of the Free Indeed

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