wtf happened to metal

Genevieve · Post by **Genevieve** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:45 pm

FSTZ wrote:the 80's were much harder

Nah, nothing in the '80s was even close to brutality to stuff like this

Death metal didn't even become truly brutal 'til around the turn of the decade when Death released 'Human', Napalm Death started going death metal and the New York brutal dm scene started shaping up. Thrash metal was fast, but I felt like it wasn't that brutal compared to the brutal dm of the mid '90s.

I don't even listen to most '80s metal for its 'brutality', but because it's good stuff in general. Dark Angel, Kreator, Coroner, Candlemass, Watchtower, Blasphemy, Bathory, Hellhammer, Pestilence, Sarcofago...

Genevieve · Post by **Genevieve** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:46 pm

Deadly Habit wrote:
FSTZ wrote:the Cro-Mags are my favorite "metal" band

Slayer too

fuck anything that happened in the 90's

the 80's were much harder
even the new slayer which was sick suffered from the loudness wars
metal needs peeps like rick rubin back into it

Rick Rubin produced 'Death Magnetic', which was even panned by the metal scene for the mastering and mixing, that's coming from a scene that's gotten used to overly compressed and loud albums. Then again, I don't think there's such a thing as a 'metal head who is a Metallica fan' anymore.

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:46 pm

the defining tune for me mastering and mixing wise and just plain good was cannibal corpse hammer smashed face
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nh0iMxBFyWM
could hear double pedal kicks and bass and the guitar lines and grunts ugh man i love that tune
saw em live last week wall of death pit when it came on

Genevieve · Post by **Genevieve** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:54 pm

Deadly Habit wrote:the defining tune for me mastering and mixing wise and just plain good was cannibal corpse hammer smashed face
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nh0iMxBFyWM

Really? I always thought it sounded sorta thin. Bass drums sound clicky and the vocals don't sit well in the mix...

My favorite tune in dm, production/mixing was is 'Cold Hate, Warm Blood' by Cryptopsy. Bass drums are fat but defined. Lots of focus on the rhythm section without drowning out the leads.

And Flo Mounier is the greatest death metal drummer I've ever heard. Too bad the band sucks as of 2008.

lowpass · Post by **lowpass** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:56 pm

Yeah I was more of a thrasher so Kreator was up there with testament, exodus, megadeth, slayer, 'tallicas first 5 albums, techdeath I had to appreciate though that stuff took skillz

Genevieve · Post by **Genevieve** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:02 pm

Lowpass wrote:Yeah I was more of a thrasher so Kreator was up there with testament, exodus, megadeth, slayer, 'tallicas first 5 albums, techdeath I had to appreciate though that stuff took skillz

Yeah, but the technical dm I appreciate, I appreciated because the music was just damn good.

Most technical dm bands these days are just.. kinda lame I'd say. A lot of them are kinda standard -- by no means all, though. Gorguts set the bar high with Obscura, which was insanely technical, but most of all, just fucking ridiculous in the best of ways. The riffs, the drum patterns, the dynamics, the vocals.. hell, the way the bassist played his bass like a percussive instrument. I haven't listened to that shit in ages.

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:08 pm

atm into psycroptic and necromantic i think is name
been trying to find new shit i can vibe off
wish candiria would go back to roots

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:12 pm

Genevieve wrote:
Deadly Habit wrote:the defining tune for me mastering and mixing wise and just plain good was cannibal corpse hammer smashed face
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nh0iMxBFyWM
Really? I always thought it sounded sorta thin. Bass drums sound clicky and the vocals don't sit well in the mix...

My favorite tune in dm, production/mixing was is 'Cold Hate, Warm Blood' by Cryptopsy. Bass drums are fat but defined. Lots of focus on the rhythm section without drowning out the leads.

And Flo Mounier is the greatest death metal drummer I've ever heard. Too bad the band sucks as of 2008.

i always contributed that to the playing cause it's the same live
def an inspirational tune for me

Genevieve · Post by **Genevieve** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:12 pm

Deadly Habit wrote:atm into psycroptic and necromantic i think is name
been trying to find new shit i can vibe off
wish candiria would go back to roots

I saw Psycroptic open for Cephalic Carnage several months ago. Put up a good show, though I'm not a big fan.

Cephalic Carnage was amazing.

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:13 pm

yea they kinda blend hardcore with metal prolly whgy i dig em
i miss old grind and crust punk too
pop punk killed the scene or im not looking hard enough

Genevieve · Post by **Genevieve** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:19 pm

Deadly Habit wrote:yea they kinda blend hardcore with metal prolly whgy i dig em
i miss old grind and crust punk too
pop punk killed the scene or im not looking hard enough

The latter I'm afraid, check out this label. Max from Spazz runs the label. They put out some shit by a band a friend of mine is in called XBRAINIAX. Amazing band.

And put out shit by a grind band that will no doubt go into history called Insect WarfareThough they broke up last year....

My favorite punk label.

There's lots of good shit around.. Check out the shit on a comp called Trapped In A Scene, which is an essential comp as far as modern north American punk goes.

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:21 pm

yea prolly m,y local scene
dunno if ya ever heard of the evicted but best crust band ever
somehow singer got a job as a pill counter at a hospital
all while singing tune dropping ludes and dealing
i miss my teen years
edit: made mistake of buying new capitalist casulties lp and its shit and a bad press

planetshift · Post by **planetshift** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:33 pm

I grew up listening to metal and in my adolescence was in many death and black metal bands (Among them one was "Nuns in a Blender". lol! You can probably find the music somewhere out there). The first time I heard "In the Nightside Eclipse" by Emperor it blew my mind!

I actually love the lo-fi sound of many Death/Black Metal records. Some top favorites

In the Nightside Eclipse - Emperor
Transilvanian Hunger - Darkthrone (I was addicted to the sound of this record for years. Definitely too lo-fi for most)
Effigy of the Forgotten - Suffocation (Killer percussion, I learned to play drums listening to this NYDM classic)
Sigh - Imaginary Sonicscape (Came out in 99 and was a breath of innovative fresh air)
Samael - Ceremony of Opposites (Everything is so rhythmically TIGHT on this record. Downtempo and absolutely massive sounding!)

IMO metal stopped being really innovative and interesting after 96, at least as far as death/black metal are concerned. These days it seems the focus of innovation has moved more towards the experimental hardcore and grindcore scene, while bands like Nile/Amon Amarth/Suffocation just keep doing what they've been doing for decades.

Genevieve · Post by **Genevieve** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:33 pm

Deadly Habit wrote: edit: made mistake of buying new capitalist casulties lp and its shit and a bad press

That's my favorite punk band. ;0 Didn't know they did something new, heard their guitarist was very ill, though.

And yeah, I've heard some Evicted stuff in the past and I cracked up when I read that their singer works with pills in a hospital, holy crap. Elephant in a porcelain store.

Genevieve · Post by **Genevieve** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:36 pm

PLANETSHIFT wrote:I grew up listening to metal and in my adolescence was in many death and black metal bands. The first time I heard "In the Nightside Eclipse" by Emperor it blew my mind!

I actually love the lo-fi sound of many Death/Black Metal records. Some top favorites

In the Nightside Eclipse - Emperor
Transilvanian Hunger - Darkthrone (I was addicted to the sound of this record for years. Definitely too lo-fi for most)
Effigy of the Forgotten - Suffocation (Killer percussion, I learned to play drums listening to this NYDM classic)
Sigh - Imaginary Sonicscape (Came out in 99 and was a breath of innovative fresh air)

IMO metal stopped being really innovative and interesting after 96, at least as far as death/black metal are concerned. These days it seems the focus of innovation has moved more towards the experimental hardcore and grindcore scene, while bands like Nile/Amon Amarth/Suffocation just keep doing what they've been doing for decades.

Black metal became more 'out there' since Filsofem was released.

Check out Wrath of the Weak. Specifically the tune 'Always in Anger'. A very rewarding experience. Gorgeous, simple melodies, extreme focus on repetition and LOUD and noisy as fuck.

And yes, 'Effigy Of the Forgotten' is amaaazing.

planetshift · Post by **planetshift** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:41 pm

Listening to WotW now. I like it, you definitely were able to assess my aural palate for metal pretty quickly, lol.

It's been 5 years since I lost my Filosofem T Shirt and I still get pissed about that! I was going to mention that record but didn't want to crap an entire laundry list of my favorite metal all over DSF

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:44 pm

Genevieve wrote:
Deadly Habit wrote: edit: made mistake of buying new capitalist casulties lp and its shit and a bad press
That's my favorite punk band. ;0 Didn't know they did something new, heard their guitarist was very ill, though.

And yeah, I've heard some Evicted stuff in the past and I cracked up when I read that their singer works with pills in a hospital, holy crap. Elephant in a porcelain store.

heh the bassist does my tats wade worked in hospital pill counting was sketchy and funny as fuck

DOOMTROOPER/T40 · Post by **DOOMTROOPER/T40** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 6:17 pm

lemony_steve wrote:Try Wintersun. One of my favourites at the moment. Finnish metal at its finest.

Brilliant band, I love their track 'Death and the Healing' some real nice guitar work on that

DOOMTROOPER/T40 · Post by **DOOMTROOPER/T40** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 6:25 pm

PLANETSHIFT wrote:I grew up listening to metal and in my adolescence was in many death and black metal bands (Among them one was "Nuns in a Blender". lol! You can probably find the music somewhere out there). The first time I heard "In the Nightside Eclipse" by Emperor it blew my mind!

I actually love the lo-fi sound of many Death/Black Metal records. Some top favorites

In the Nightside Eclipse - Emperor
Transilvanian Hunger - Darkthrone (I was addicted to the sound of this record for years. Definitely too lo-fi for most)
Effigy of the Forgotten - Suffocation (Killer percussion, I learned to play drums listening to this NYDM classic)
Sigh - Imaginary Sonicscape (Came out in 99 and was a breath of innovative fresh air)
Samael - Ceremony of Opposites (Everything is so rhythmically TIGHT on this record. Downtempo and absolutely massive sounding!)

IMO metal stopped being really innovative and interesting after 96, at least as far as death/black metal are concerned. These days it seems the focus of innovation has moved more towards the experimental hardcore and grindcore scene, while bands like Nile/Amon Amarth/Suffocation just keep doing what they've been doing for decades.

In The Nightside Eclipse is a great album, in my opinion Emperor's best. Same with Transyilvanian Hunger, I loved the old Darkthrone stuff, but then they went more 'Crust Punk' which i could only listen to when i was angry lol.
There's something about the lo-fi sound, it just doesnt sound right being black metal without it, a lot of people can complain that it's awful quality and shit production but its how a lot of it was meant to sound, I think it adds a lot of atmosphere and a darker sound.

My favourite production on a Black metal album though is on Mayhem's 'De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas' i love the sound of Hellhammer's drums in it, especially the toms.

xiy · Post by **xiy** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:32 pm

PHASEten wrote:What happened to metal? Simple........
And dont even get me started on emo (My chemical romance???? Fall out fucking boy?? WHY???? JUST WHY?????).

These "bands" are definitely not Emo. True emo was around from the late 80's and was considered a variant of punk. Bands like Fugazi, pg.99, Cap 'n Jazz, American Football etc. are real Emo, not that pop shite.

It's sad that most people are fooled into thinking this, considering a good portion of Emo bands were incredibly good. Ah well.

And true metal died a long time ago.

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