Sound System Re-thread

darkartois · Post by **darkartois** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:07 am

http://www.solarisnetwork.com/index.php

US site but all used sound, lighting, staging etc. I'm blown away how expensive everything is

skallion · Post by **skallion** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:34 am

definitely look into getting punishers for your subs. they are small for how much spl they give out. a very nice horn indeed. they pack a tasty 1000w each if used with the specified ciare 12 sw driver.

lowpass · Post by **lowpass** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 11:25 am

skallion wrote:definitely look into getting punishers for your subs. they are small for how much spl they give out. a very nice horn indeed. they pack a tasty 1000w each if used with the specified ciare 12 sw driver.

Where would I be able to pick up the driver?

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 11:29 am

Lowpass wrote:
skallion wrote:definitely look into getting punishers for your subs. they are small for how much spl they give out. a very nice horn indeed. they pack a tasty 1000w each if used with the specified ciare 12 sw driver.
Where would I be able to pick up the driver?

that's the spirit build your own cabs
take a trip to the local hardware/wood shop and bulk up on tools and supplies

lowpass · Post by **lowpass** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 11:38 am

Deadly Habit wrote:
Lowpass wrote:
skallion wrote:definitely look into getting punishers for your subs. they are small for how much spl they give out. a very nice horn indeed. they pack a tasty 1000w each if used with the specified ciare 12 sw driver.
Where would I be able to pick up the driver?
that's the spirit build your own cabs
take a trip to the local hardware/wood shop and bulk up on tools and supplies

You think it would be more hassle and more expensive to invest in tools and build cabs from scratch than to just buy them?

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 11:49 am

Lowpass wrote:
Deadly Habit wrote:
Lowpass wrote:
skallion wrote:definitely look into getting punishers for your subs. they are small for how much spl they give out. a very nice horn indeed. they pack a tasty 1000w each if used with the specified ciare 12 sw driver.
Where would I be able to pick up the driver?
that's the spirit build your own cabs
take a trip to the local hardware/wood shop and bulk up on tools and supplies
You think it would be more hassle and more expensive to invest in tools and build cabs from scratch than to just buy them?

yes but you'll get a pro rig custom built for cheaper just a matter of investing your time

skallion · Post by **skallion** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 11:49 am

Lowpass wrote:
skallion wrote:definitely look into getting punishers for your subs. they are small for how much spl they give out. a very nice horn indeed. they pack a tasty 1000w each if used with the specified ciare 12 sw driver.
Where would I be able to pick up the driver?

http://www.proaudioparts.co.uk/ciare.asp

this place is good for 2nd hand stuff

http://www.squatjuice.com/phpBB3/viewfo ... 21a0120e28

lowpass · Post by **lowpass** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 11:51 am

Deadly Habit wrote:
Lowpass wrote:
Deadly Habit wrote:
Lowpass wrote:
skallion wrote:definitely look into getting punishers for your subs. they are small for how much spl they give out. a very nice horn indeed. they pack a tasty 1000w each if used with the specified ciare 12 sw driver.
Where would I be able to pick up the driver?
that's the spirit build your own cabs
take a trip to the local hardware/wood shop and bulk up on tools and supplies
You think it would be more hassle and more expensive to invest in tools and build cabs from scratch than to just buy them?
yes but you'll get a pro rig custom built for cheaper just a matter of investing your time

Time I have a lot of, money not so much

My thoughts are that I will be able to get a system much quicker than saving up and buying the top range stuff but will a custom built rig really match things like turbosound and F1?

skallion · Post by **skallion** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 12:12 pm

in your price range you can forget those manufacturers. if i was spending around 2000 i would buy 2 2nd hand punishers and probably some 2nd hand dual 15 jbl's for mids and top. then whatever moneys left, not alot! so probs just some real cheap cmark amps. going to need a crossover too so 2000 is really pushing it. if you get a good deal you could get 3kW for 2500.
save more money double up the subs and get some decent quality amps and some nice full range cabs and you got yourself a pretty nice system.

__________ · Post by **__________** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 12:29 pm

Lowpass wrote:Budget Wise I'm unsure,

I'd want to be able to use it for smaller gigs/club nights to get money in to build on it and take it to bigger places for larger cash.

Maybe £1 - 2 k not sure how little I can invest before I can start to see a return. I know it's not a lot but I wanna know what I can do to start off.

think £1000 per 1000watts. without amps.
if i was you, i'd spend that £2k on some quality amps or wood for cabs.
if you spend £2k on trying to get a fully functional rig, each part is going to have to be sub-standard.

no offense, but you seem to be coming at this from the ''i want a rig so i can hire it and make myself money'' perspective. most great soundsystem operators build and operate soundsystems because its their life. they live cabinets and speakers. they're mostly really boring people.
if you're getting most of your information from forums, and you don't know what's good or how to build or operate a rig, your best idea is going to a night which is local to you (you live in Notts - surely there's more soundsystems than Cornwall?!?!?!?!) and buying the soundman a drink in return for sharing some of his knowledge with you.

internet's ok, but not for discussing fuck-off great big rigs.
go to a night, wave a free drink at the soundman and he'll be like ''yeah, i designed these cabs myself, and i bought 8 of X driver to put in. they're Xwatts and Xinch. as you can hear...yep, there on that bassline...they kick out a lot around 80hz. that's because of the cab design. if i'd gone for Y design, we'd be hearing more of Y frequency, which i don't think sounds as good. oh the amps? yeah i went for X because every time i've worked with Y amps its been a headache''
then go and speak to the other soundman who's built his rig to the Y specification...

fact is everybody will tell you their rig is the best. you're gonna have to do some proper research and make up your own mind once you're properly educated if you want a soundsystem which people will pay £100s of their own good money to hire.

lowpass · Post by **lowpass** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 12:40 pm

It's true that I would want to make money from this rig, the main idea was as an investment, it's not what people want to hear but yeah I can't justify spending that amount of money without some kind of return.

The other point is that with a sound system it opens up a few other oppurtunities.

1. I could start up a night and use the rig (once big enough) as one of the selling points, this could attract more people, more money, bigger artists etc using it to gain more exposure as an artist / DJ

2. Finding it hard to find work as a live engineer this would work as a hire rig + engineer deal where I can have regular work doing what I like to do, engineering

3. It's always nice to have a few kw of power stashed away in case there's a night where the system can't produce enough juice when Dj'ing. "this sounds shit, yeah what are we gonna do?" "oh yeah, I have a coupla scoops I could bring along for a small price?"

4. After all is said and done, I'm hoping it would have a fairly sellable price when I'm too old to be lugging it around anymore, leaving me with a nice bit to retire on.

maybe that's not a good enough reason for some people, but I would like to do it if it meant that I could break even / make a small profit on top

__________ · Post by **__________** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:07 pm

mmm yeah i just think you're being unrealistic.
i know a man (the guy I hire gear from) who used to work for Turbosound and various other companies, building cabs, doing electrics, etc. he is pretty much as good a sound engineer as you can get. he's got the knowledge and the passion, he's built 1k rigs, 100k rigs, clashed with iration, designed and built about 50 of his own soundsystems, made his own gear...everything...but he has to take up pretty much every offer he gets if he wants his family to eat regularly.

this is a man with more than enough of the knowledge, passion and motivation required to build, run and hire soundsystems. he's where it sounds like you want to be in 10 years time, minus the imaginary riches!

Lowpass wrote:I can't justify spending that amount of money without some kind of return.

give up now then

''I love bass more than I love money'' is all you gotta say...

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:13 pm

yea much like producing dubstep expect no real return

mundy · Post by **mundy** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 5:57 pm

rooms vary

place to place

(funktion 1 can sound great btw... it is all about user ...

they had a funktion 1 out here in la that was not sounding as good as it should have .... after further investigation they where coming out of the allen and heath mixer and going to a behringer submixer before hitting the amplifiers

OMG!

there are many places to screw your sound and tone along the way

it will be up to you to discern the bs from truth

ALWAYS TRUST YOUR EARS !!!

I have had great luck with behringer Europower Ep2500's poweramps but their mixers and processors blow

I liked depone's idea of starting small and then building

oh and buy used ... when you can

(try before you buy)

try to consult with someone who's soundsystem you like the sound of

copy tricks

wheez-ie · Post by **wheez-ie** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 6:06 pm

£10 Bag wrote: ''I love bass more than I love money'' is all you gotta say...

WIN

jolly wailer · Post by **jolly wailer** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 6:12 pm

I don't think he was looking to make profit from the rig as much as he was looking to make some of the money back that he originally put into building the rig

or getting some dough/cut of the door for the hassle of transporting the fecker...

all of which I think is perfectly reasonable

usually the business model for a passion is breaking even on it.

good luck, keep us posted on yr progress!

lowpass · Post by **lowpass** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:55 pm

Jolly Wailer wrote:I don't think he was looking to make profit from the rig as much as he was looking to make some of the money back that he originally put into building the rig

or getting some dough/cut of the door for the hassle of transporting the fecker...

all of which I think is perfectly reasonable

usually the business model for a passion is breaking even on it.

good luck, keep us posted on yr progress!

Yeah I think somehow I'd been misquoted into saying that I was looking to get rich quick by buying a sound system

to clear up my original post, I am looking to start a small rig with an initial investment and use the return to expand on it. My main passion isn't in building sound systems from scratch, that is why I am on a forum asking for advice on it. My passion is in music, the production and engineering as well as dj'ing.

With a sound system it would open up more ways to be able to do these things that I love.

Oh yeah, If I loved money more than I loved bass then I wouldn't be penniless with a neverending thirst for vinyl

lowpass · Post by **lowpass** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 6:47 am

bump, any other suggestions?

mikey bear · Post by **mikey bear** » Tue Dec 08, 2009 8:19 pm

i'd suggest starting from the bottom and not investing in f1/turbo stuff straight away. this way you will learn a lot about sound and other systems and brands. plus you will look like a tool if your f1 rig sounds shit!
but saying that for 2k you could prob get a pair of s/h turbo tms2 or 5 (approx £800), a pair of s/h pd1850's or void v18-1000 (£300/£350), build a pair of x1's out of mdf (£60), a s/h c-audio sr707 to run the subs in 4ohm bridge (£200), a behringer ultradrive from whybuynew.com (£160) leaving about £400 to spend on a pair of amps for the turbo's. thats just about the best rig i can think of for £2k.

hope this helps
mikey

p.s. find plans for the x1 bass bin here...http://www.speakerplans.com/index.php?id=x1
while you are checking out the plan take some time to have a read through the forum. there is a wealth of knowledge and other ideas for system make up there.

frank grimes jr. · Post by **frank grimes jr.** » Tue Dec 08, 2009 9:14 pm

I'm surprised no one has mentioned http://www.billfitzmaurice.com/
Plenty of fancy pants loudspeakers a gwan.

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