iMac

[86.]

Within 4-10 months I'll have to either supremely upgrade my comp or rebuild; however, I would entertain the thought of a Mac...but the thing is I like desktops...so I'd go for an iMac. I haven't completely decided...but every back and forth real world argument/online thread about PCs vs Macs seems to turn into a beef similar to religion vs science.

Who here who's not all fanatic about either can tell me if a Mac is seriously more superior to a PC. For the average home user, is it really that much better. The people I know who have Macs seem to have bought them based on hype and commercials, and can't really tell me how their computer experience has improved by buying one.

[DOOMTROOPER/T40]

I know what you mean about people unable to tell how their experience has improved. One of the main answer I get when I ask why a Mac over a PC is "They looks nicer...".
But with my experiences with using the iMacs at college compared to similar spec desktop PCs at home and elswhere is that in my opinion the Macs do feel a lot nicer to work with and I have noticed better stability when running software such as Ableton and other DAWs and music programs. They also seem to be able to handle multiple programs at once better than my windows PC of similar spec.
Also a big advantage is that you can't get a virus on your Mac. I think there has only been a small handful of viruses that have infected a Mac in the past compared to the thousands that can affect your PC, but as far as I know with the newer Mac operating systems, there are no viruses that can get in.

I used to be against Macs because I found them annoying with the whole 'one button mouse' and dodgy keyboard combinations for shortcuts etc. but I've grown to like them and am buying a Macbook Pro next month.

hope this helps

[mondays child]

I dunno man, I'm not gonna slate PC's becuase I vented my spleen about them a long time ago, and since I went Mac I haven't looked back.

From my point of view, they are easy to operate, crash less and don't really get any viruses, not that I spend any time on 'Spank Your Monkey.com' or whatever, but just general internet stuff (my music workstation isn't connected to the internet though)

And i find them fairly stable for music, which is what it's all about really. Having said that, there will also be those that shout out for PC's so take your pick, and your choice.

[86.]

thanks

the one button mouse thing frightens me. obviously that's not the only thing that's keeping me from buying one.

the virus thing is a definite benefit as well. I can't stand having to battle a virus for up to a week.

what's the whole deal with the mouse, where I would right click on something for whatever option...how does that translate. Is it just one click and then the tool bar options or whatever?

[DOOMTROOPER/T40]

To right click on a mac you hold control and then click. But you can always by a 2 button USB mouse these days so it won't be a problem

[Brisance]

To right click on a mac you hold control and then click. But you can always by a 2 button USB mouse these days so it won't be a problem

still gay, and you need 2 hands for that..

[manray]

The only point I would even consider is the fact that Mac's are less prone to catching viruses/malware and that is one of the biggest problems most windows users have.

Otherwise Macs are no more superior. In many ways less so because what 95% of the earth uses Windows.... which is annoying in many aspects.

Oh one other point is that mac hardware generally has very good audio, like 1-2ms latency out of the box. You need to spend lots of money to get the same in a PC.

[syanide]

Lol you can set the standard mac mouse to left and right click.
The main plus for me using an iMac is logic bloody love it. Also the stabilty of the osx is 2nd to none and no virus's.

[evil madmen]

I use my mbp for graphic design and stuff, then I got into djing/production all that jazz. I think what does it for me is its really easy to manage a lot of things at once on a mac without having your screen get cluttered. Spaces kick ass.

[86.]

The only point I would even consider is the fact that Mac's are less prone to catching viruses/malware and that is one of the biggest problems most windows users have.

Otherwise Macs are no more superior. In many ways less so because what 95% of the earth uses Windows.... which is annoying in many aspects.

Oh one other point is that mac hardware generally has very good audio, like 1-2ms latency out of the box. You need to spend lots of money to get the same in a PC.

hmm...

I've had my PC since Sep 06 and it isn't bugged out on the viruses so far...I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that I don't run internet of my home comp. The only thing that resembles a virus is some shit called RECYCLER that seems to be laying dormant on my hardrive. I'm actually surprised it's still kicking, but from experience I know if you buy a PC and don't do shit as far as upgrading, they'll last 4 years and then kill themselves.

checking the Mac online right now....looks nice

[DOOMTROOPER/T40]

@Depone :
Lol never noticed it worked like that

[Rickmansworth]

dont worry about the mouse issue... plug in any regular 2 button or wheel mouse and it will work just fine.

i've been running osx for a while and love the fact that there are no viruses. also, if you really miss windows (or want to use some apps that you cant find for osx) you can running windows through parallels. this way, you can have the luxury of both OSs. i have another screen hooked up to my macbook, so my windows start bar is on that one.

[86.]

To right click on a mac you hold control and then click. But you can always by a 2 button USB mouse these days so it won't be a problem

still gay, and you need 2 hands for that..

Anyone whos has a new mac since like 4-5 years back now will know that the mac mouse does indeed have 2 buttons
It really makes me laugh when people dont realize this. (not aimed at your brissance)
But yeah. it looks like one button, but if you actually click on the right side of it, it does indeed have a right click. Plus it has a 360 degree scroll wheel thats really handy

oh yeeeeeeah. ROFL. I remember using somebody's mac and clicking that button. only remembered once you said that. that's fucked.

[manray]

The only point I would even consider is the fact that Mac's are less prone to catching viruses/malware and that is one of the biggest problems most windows users have.

Otherwise Macs are no more superior. In many ways less so because what 95% of the earth uses Windows.... which is annoying in many aspects.

Oh one other point is that mac hardware generally has very good audio, like 1-2ms latency out of the box. You need to spend lots of money to get the same in a PC.

hmm...

I've had my PC since Sep 06 and it isn't bugged out on the viruses so far...I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that I don't run internet of my home comp. The only thing that resembles a virus is some shit called RECYCLER that seems to be laying dormant on my hardrive. I'm actually surprised it's still kicking, but from experience I know if you buy a PC and don't do shit as far as upgrading, they'll last 4 years and then kill themselves.

checking the Mac online right now....looks nice

It's the internet that kills it. If you dont have internet at home then doesnt matter what you get, windows doesn't just break on its own. Got windows machines from 2002 still running perfect.

[music by numbers]

I'm a mac user, don't like their mice though, I use logitech mice with mine.

A three button mouse (or more) is best, because you can use the third button for expose, very useful.

[Mad_EP]

Who here who's not all fanatic about either can tell me if a Mac is seriously more superior to a PC. For the average home user, is it really that much better. The people I know who have Macs seem to have bought them based on hype and commercials, and can't really tell me how their computer experience has improved by buying one.

If the people you know who have Macs, bought them from commercials and hype, then you know some pretty stupid people. But that isn't the computer's fault. The same way it isn't the computer's fault that the PC mafia STILL keeps spewing on about one button mice, even though that argument was rendered moot years ago.

Look- I've been using Apples for almost 30 years, decades before any fanboyism started. I have been using them for so long because they have always been very dependable for me and they fit my work flow. I know people who have the same experience with PCs. Good for them. I really don't care either way - both have pluses & minuses, none of them that insurmountable.

It's true that there are almost no viruses for OS X, but then one could always keep their PC offline. It's true that the stock sound & graphics card in Macs are better than the assembly line PCs... but then again, if one is truly into Sound or Design (or whatever) they will probably end up buying a top end sound and/or graphics card anyway. Etc etc etc.

For me - it is just the little things that keep me loyal. For instance, while I primarily work on my Macbook now (not even a Macbook Pro), I still use my G4 tower from 2001 for my archived projects in OS9. I don't know any PC users who still actively use a computer from 8 1/2 years ago... yet this bad boy (with his seemingly tiny 450 mHz and 1GB ram) can still run Cubase VST with unlimited tracks and fx without crashing. Seriously. 30 tracks with 3 or 4 vsts per track? No problem. It is long-term performance like that that makes the old "Macs are too expensive" argument unfounded.

But - as I said, I am out to convert nobody. When I worked in multimedia, I found that Flash actually worked better on PC. Some of the best 3D rendering is still done on PC. Not to mention- as someone mentioned, there are a ton more VSTs and programs for PC.

Its up to you...



edit: hehehe - I stand corrected. Manray said he has a Windows machine from 2002, so that's pretty good. Nice one.

[86.]

If the people you know who have Macs, bought them from commercials and hype, then you know some pretty stupid people.

Trust me, it's hilarious to call them out like "WHY do you like Mac" and hear responses such as "Man they're so much better!...they're better for streaming" or "PCs are ugly".

But a good number of people out there are "pretty stupid people", so I can't hate on them too much.

Look- I've been using Apples for almost 30 years, decades before any fanboyism started. I have been using them for so long because they have always been very dependable for me and they fit my work flow. I know people who have the same experience with PCs. Good for them. I really don't care either way - both have pluses & minuses, none of them that insurmountable.

It's true that there are almost no viruses for OS X, but then one could always keep their PC offline. It's true that the stock sound & graphics card in Macs are better than the assembly line PCs... but then again, if one is truly into Sound or Design (or whatever) they will probably end up buying a top end sound and/or graphics card anyway. Etc etc etc.

For me - it is just the little things that keep me loyal. For instance, while I primarily work on my Macbook now (not even a Macbook Pro), I still use my G4 tower from 2001 for my archived projects in OS9. I don't know any PC users who still actively use a computer from 8 1/2 years ago... yet this bad boy (with his seemingly tiny 450 mHz and 1GB ram) can still run Cubase VST with unlimited tracks and fx without crashing. Seriously. 30 tracks with 3 or 4 vsts per track? No problem. It is long-term performance like that that makes the old "Macs are too expensive" argument unfounded.

But - as I said, I am out to convert nobody. When I worked in multimedia, I found that Flash actually worked better on PC. Some of the best 3D rendering is still done on PC. Not to mention- as someone mentioned, there are a ton more VSTs and programs for PC.

Its up to you...



edit: hehehe - I stand corrected. Manray said he has a Windows machine from 2002, so that's pretty good. Nice one.

Good to hear from someone who's been using it from time.


These people I speak of, I never see them using it for much more than wireless, this supposed better streaming of videos, iTunes, and those features such as the iSnap or whatever which is like Photoshop.

[Mad_EP]

Yeah- I mean, you would think that after 30 years I would be all linked up with my iCal, iPhoto, iMovie, Safari, and whatever is in iLife...

...but the fact of the matter is, I hardly use it for any of that... which is stupid, cos it could be rather helpful to have all those linked. But, that is all secondary to my work flow. And that is the only reason why I have been using them for so long. I don't mind using something that is ugly as sin as long as it does what I want it to do.

Results may vary per person, but for this person, 3 decades of positive results has me sold.