"as badass a wobble as has ever been created" - Ba

shatterfreak · Post by **shatterfreak** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:58 pm

or so i have been told just now.

http://soundcloud.com/shatterfreak/bat-country

Free 320, as always.

steppa · Post by **steppa** » Wed Aug 26, 2009 8:21 pm

HONESTLY????!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!

FUCKING SHIT

shatterfreak · Post by **shatterfreak** » Wed Aug 26, 2009 9:52 pm

LoL,no offence mate, but if i can create a song that pisses someone off that much, then i am one happy man.

So far it's all the positive on SC, and the singular negative here.

Interesting.

darkartois · Post by **darkartois** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 12:19 am

it's not that it's a bad tune as such. just such a bold statement about teh wobble.

shatterfreak · Post by **shatterfreak** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:01 am

darkartois wrote:it's not that it's a bad tune as such. just such a bold statement about teh wobble.

LoL, but that wasn't me.

That's a direct quote from someone on SC, a timed comment on the song at the place of hosting by someone who listened to it.

Look, i understand the ideally you should be using the word "filthy", "heavy" or whatever other buzzword there is going around, but i really couldn't be arsed.

I'll pop up a link, i might pop in a quote from someone about the tune and thats about it.

People can listen and make up there own mind. If they choose to tell me it's shit, then so be it....that is their opinion and i am not so fucking stupid to expect that after 4 months of Producing that i'll be rolling out release worthy shit.

However, it would be nice to get a bit of feedback beyound "it's shit"......like if someone thinks it's a poor song maybe they could offer ways to strengthen it? Although i understand that won't do much for peoples online rep. ha ha ha

steppa · Post by **steppa** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:37 pm

SURVEY SAYS NO,

BUY A NEW PROGRAM, SUBSCRIBE TO A SCRATCHING B TECH, GO AWAY, GET FRUITY LOOPS 3, MAYBE (and i mean maybe) GET SOME RUBICON (or lilt? well as long as its particularly fruit based it will work), AND DONT SHOW ME ANYTHING TILL U SOUND LIKE THIS GUY

www.myspace.com/gothtrad

BECAUSE TO BE COMPLETELY HONEST YOU'VE LET ME DOWN, YOUR PROGRAM DOWN, DUBSTEP DOWN, THE FORUM DOWN (obviously just the dubs one LOL) AND MOST IMPORTANTLY YOURSELF DOWN. BIG UP MAGAZINE

darkartois · Post by **darkartois** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 7:54 pm

Shatterfreak wrote:
darkartois wrote:it's not that it's a bad tune as such. just such a bold statement about teh wobble.
LoL, but that wasn't me.

That's a direct quote from someone on SC, a timed comment on the song at the place of hosting by someone who listened to it.

Look, i understand the ideally you should be using the word "filthy", "heavy" or whatever other buzzword there is going around, but i really couldn't be arsed.

I'll pop up a link, i might pop in a quote from someone about the tune and thats about it.

People can listen and make up there own mind. If they choose to tell me it's shit, then so be it....that is their opinion and i am not so fucking stupid to expect that after 4 months of Producing that i'll be rolling out release worthy shit.

However, it would be nice to get a bit of feedback beyound "it's shit"......like if someone thinks it's a poor song maybe they could offer ways to strengthen it? Although i understand that won't do much for peoples online rep. ha ha ha

I will give some actual feedback when I get my lazy arse off my bed and hook in my monitors, laptop speakers don't do dubstep justice. I'd never tell anyone their track is shit, don't think thats ever the right way to critique anyone.

actraiser · Post by **actraiser** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:55 pm

Didnt like this at all im afraid.. bass sounds weird and 'pasted on' the tune doesnt have any flow and is sonicly very dull.. keep trying though.. tracks will get better with practice!

osca · Post by **osca** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 9:22 pm

Cut the poor guy some slack

If this is your first track or an early attempt, great start, it has potential. Not a bad idea to get a new program but if you don't have enough money to get one, stick with what you've got. As long as your producing you can only get better

Keep it up.

darkartois · Post by **darkartois** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:32 pm

Osca wrote:Cut the poor guy some slack

If this is your first track or an early attempt, great start, it has potential. Not a bad idea to get a new program but if you don't have enough money to get one, stick with what you've got. As long as your producing you can only get better

Keep it up.

well said. just like Man Utd fans when they say their best but can't tell you why if you don't like something be constructive about it rather than just label it "shit"

jsaxton · Post by **jsaxton** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:31 am

personally i dont like the wobble, however the rest of it sounds okay

the intro is nice and atmospheric, just need to put more work in making it musicaly intresting.

however for a early attempt (is it?) its okay

just keep practicing

shatterfreak · Post by **shatterfreak** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:49 am

Thanks very much for the feedback guys, and you can be sure i'll be implementing your advice and striving to just get better at this shit.

Thanks a lot guys, i understand it's a pain in the ass to be checking songs for every new guy that shows up.

Steppa, would love to hear some of your tunes if you have my Myspace or Soundcloud or anything?

Odd that the issue seems to be the wobble, the people who like the track seem to really like the wobble.

I think a good Dubstep tune is pretty universal though...all those solid elements are in there, if you get me.

Interesting, and a lot to think about and practice. Thanks again.

Oh and Osca, i'm about a month or so into making Dubstep, and about 4 months into making music at all electronically.

osca · Post by **osca** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 1:11 am

Oh snap! I'm really really early in the producing game. I have one gcse in music and thats pretty much it.

One thing i discovered is that you dont need to layer it on for it to sound phat, almost the opposite. Try to be as minimalistic as possible as in my experience if too much is going on it just makes you confused or get bored. You can use this to your advantage though if your really pro... check this guy out but it will MELT YOUR BALLS. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRPku8lvTpA (go about 1m.30s in)

At the end of the day if you like what your doing thats all that matters. NEVER give up when haters diss your stuff - I dont mean you here Steppa, i'm just saying in case he got the wrong idea and gives up on the first hurdle.

Some good VSTis are always a good idea too, I was lucky enough to be given loads off mates and stuff who no longer needed them. If you ever get your hands on a good DAW like Pro Tools they bundle you with all sorts of sick stuff - vacuum is a favourite of mine, full LFO and pitch modulation that will make any generic dubstep wobble sound 10x better.

Good luck on your later projects and feel free to PM me any other creations you make

shatterfreak · Post by **shatterfreak** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 1:20 am

Cheers man, thanks very much for the link. It's not so much that i am mad about what i am doing, i think that would be a bit arrogant...i just don't see the point in comments like "come back to me when you make this"......it's a case of "what, when i can downright rob others peoples sound"?

I mean, i'll listen to and be influenced by all kinds of music, and all kinds of Dubs.....but i won't try and write in that way. I like to experiment.

And no way am i giving up dude, it's fun if nothing else.

Cheers man, thanks again for the advice, i'll be sure to come looking for more in the future.

osca · Post by **osca** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 1:24 am

Actually you can forget that bit about being minimalist, you seem to have got that bit!

You know what it might be? I think the background noise and the bass are clashing ever so slightly. Trippy. And some variations on your bass could be an improvement, if you duplicate the track but change the LFO then cut between the two tracks it could add something. All just suggestions.

How did you get into dubstep btw?

shatterfreak · Post by **shatterfreak** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:11 am

Cheers man! Thanks very much for that.

I was actually put on to Dubstep by a now very good friend of mine. When i met him he told me he was a DJ, and i asked him did he have any sets....sure enough there were a few on his mp3 player and he threw them my way and i have been hooked ever since.

It's just such an expansive and inclusive form of music, you can do anything with it, and take it anywhere.

Actually, if it's not a massive ask, would you give this one a listen? It seems to be my best track ( in that it has the most plays of all my stuff ) and i would like to go back and redo it some, and i would love to get your feedback mate. Your giving me gold here.

http://soundcloud.com/shatterfreak/a-su ... eing-alone

osca · Post by **osca** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:10 am

Oh yeahhh liking this one more.. got a bit of smoking quality to it, can imagine monging out with a zoot to this... and i am. Great drum samples/mapping too, i really like it when artists have a go at changing their drums (and in the words of Chase and Status... 'add a bit of bonjo')

I went through it a 3 times quite happily without longing for too much improvement, however, your bass isn't very conservative dubstep - you aint messing around with a wobble or anything like that. Although its good to experiment and expand from what others are producing i still feel a few dubstep elements need to be in place... that sound that you know is exclusive to dubstep... and so moreish. Add a bit of wobble, but dont go crazy. The song also has a very traditional dub sound too, which i like, so you could add some dub-friendly sounds in there if it sounds good, trumpet, dub sax, guitar, that zippy frog instrument,... the list goes on. Just try them out. When i make a track i write the instument midi first before i do any sub-bass or LFO bass, (hope i dont sound pretentious here) kinda sets up the structure so that the bass can knock it down. Often some juxtaposition between very crisp, clear sounds and then distorted bass sounds quite interesting. Kinda like how the sour is always better with the sweet like sweet and sour pork.

God i just read back through that and i suddenly realised how high i am... anyways... I like it and if you do improve it any more feel free to send it my way.

osca · Post by **osca** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:13 am

Also, just realised you used fear and loathing in your other track! Such a sick book.

mars · Post by **mars** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:16 am

i think there's a lot of good ideas in this song for sure. u've been making music for 4 months? ur doing pretty damn well dude!

here's my criticism because i think this song could be fuckin baddd ass!

the atmospheric pads in the background sound good.
ur glitching the beat pretty well, it sounds cool, and it fits...
i think the snare throughout the song might need a bit more brightening. layer it, make it harder and louder. layer some more hi hats, give it a bouncy feel it will make the beat sound better. i know u bring in more hats as the song advances, but don't be afraid to use it more right after the drop, i think it would make the song better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OKWWrup6vg this is just an example. check it out, and pay attention to the hats shuffle. the song would still be pretty bad ass without it (because of the bass), but the shuffle definitely adds to it, and it gives that bouncy rhythm.
last but not least, the bass seems to be taking over the song. it's louder than everything else. i like what u did with it tho, some pretty fuckin bad ass sounds.

this is just off the top of my head. don't think i'm being too critical, i actually think u did a pretty good job

and it's not like i'm dubstep guru myself, i'm still way behind on a lot of shit. but these are just a few things that i've learned since i started making dubstep and they have definitely helped me out!

cheers dude,
i hope i helped a bit!

-m4rs

osca · Post by **osca** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:26 am

Yeah that 'bounce' that m4rs is talking about would be phat in your song. Make everything drop but the bass untill the snare... seems to be the way. I like to think that worked in my songs anyway.

Do you ever get that moment when your sitting at your computer desk almost gurning due to a bass line? (unless its just me) I think thats down to that 'bouncey' feeling. Kinda like what BIT-16 does in Chainsaw Calligraphy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilIDKfGjuq0 where everything is just dropped for those filthy bass licks.

"as badass a wobble as has ever been created" - Ba

"as badass a wobble as has ever been created" - Ba

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