CAN FILTH BE A NEW GENRE NOW?

tdbz · Post by **tdbz** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 3:44 pm

Pejman (gritsy/heavyDNB) and I were discussing this subject a couple weeks ago. That a lot of the tracks coming out right now are heavy heavy filth business.
Beyond wobbles, but outright industrial strength metal type Dubstep.
Nothing wrong with that.
I don't mind sub-genre's. I mean. I do it on my HD right now myself anyhow. I don't really see what the big deal would be.
There's nothing wrong with Dubstep. It's growing. Evolving. The talent pool is expanding. Progress is good and welcome.
Embrace it.

Just got my first tracks labeled. Popped my Dubstep production cherry. I am excited.

See you guys soon!
ted beezy

hellfire machina · Post by **hellfire machina** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 3:56 pm

kidlogic wrote:
Hellfire Machina wrote:
yong wrote:
mattron wrote:
yong wrote:I'd agree with you,

but dubstep isn't really dubstep anymore.
do you mean, dubstep isn't what you'd like it to be?

I hate these fucking whining threads.

no body is forcing you to listen to certain sounds... listen to what you like!
Yeah but if I wanna go see dubstep, and the flier says dubstep, and it's "filth" shit, I don't wanna be there.

It's a different crowd really.
Yong your like 16 bruv, so your not going to many shows are you.

Seeing that your part of a radio station that thrives on the filth this thread is a bit silly no?
He doesnt go to many shows, but I know what he's saying... you dont have to go to shows to understand whats going on. Im getting pretty tired of every tune at a "dubstep" show sounding like every tune did at a "dnb" show 4 years ago.

I was one of the people in the "nah, its all dubstep, innit" camps for the longest time, but Im sorry... theres just too damn much music with too many influences now.

These threads remind me of this hypothetical conversation...

"I listen to rock".
"Oh really, what kind of rock? Punk, metal, pop, grunge, lo-fi, indie?"
"Nah mate, I said I listen to rock, you know, rock... with guitars."
"Right, right, I get that... but what kind do you like the most?"
"What you mean, like the most... I like it all, I listen to it all... its all just rock..."
"Ok then, who do you like?"
"Oh right... I Tool, Killswitch Engage, Mastadon... "
"So you like metal?"
"NO YOU TWAT, I LIKE ROCK! ROCK! DONT YOU GET IT? ITS ALL ROCK, IT DONT NEED NO SUBGENRES!!!"

There is such a diverse range of styles represented in this wonderful music that all falls under the umbrella term of 'dubstep' that there needs to be a bit more distinction, if only for the ease of discussion and to be sure you know what you're getting into and paying your money for.

Look at house... theres what? 25+ different styles of house? But they're all recognizable as house, and classifying it into different catagories hasnt hurt the genre, not in the least.

All this ambiguity is only confusing matters IMO.

Then go to different shows, it's not like you arn't spoilt for choice in LA.

The thing that really makes me laugh about threads like this is that the filth has been in dubstep since day one, I guess the moaners wern't around then to know this though so the result ends up being 'I wanna hear more of what I like', so go find it because it's out there in abundance.

beerz · Post by **beerz** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 4:35 pm

Hellfire Machina wrote:
filth has been in dubstep since day one

It really hasnt. 2006 the filthyest dubstep was like......the wobbly skream tunes/certain coki/caspa tunes. these wud all seem pretty mellow compared to nowadays. and that wasnt even day one.

go back to 2004/05. find me a filthy tune.

hellfire machina · Post by **hellfire machina** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 4:44 pm

bEErz wrote:
Hellfire Machina wrote:
filth has been in dubstep since day one
It really hasnt. 2006 the filthyest dubstep was like......the wobbly skream tunes/certain coki/caspa tunes. these wud all seem pretty mellow compared to nowadays. and that wasnt even day one.

go back to 2004/05. find me a filthy tune.

Sure -

Pretty much anything on Destructive,Storming Productions, early Hotflush ie Knowledge etc, most of Search and Destroys output at that time, Combat Recordings,Distance has been consistently filthy over the years, Darkwan.

I could go on if you like.

yong · Post by **yong** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 4:53 pm

I was talking "filth" as in "chainsaws and stuff," just to clarify.

surface_tension · Post by **surface_tension** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 5:38 pm

yong wrote:I was talking "filth" as in "chainsaws and stuff," just to clarify.

Vex'd, Toasty... etc... it's been around. Reso and Claw were making it in 2006 as well. But yea, I agree the Chainsaw itself is a bit much. And by a bit, I mean total fucking waste.

86. · Post by **86.** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 5:45 pm

69Basslines wrote:
86 Position wrote:
69Basslines wrote:Am I the only one who likes all types of dubstep? Such an exciting genre on all levels
I don't listen to no Doorly though.
I like Doorly. Well his bonkers remix is dope havent really heard much else. Have read negative stuff on here about him though & nero too.

Is hating on Nero & Doorly the new Caspa & Rusko?

I like Nero, and I like some Rusko (homes isn't trying to be serious, I'm convinced it's just a shitload of fun for him to make what he makes)....I like a few of Caspa's older tunes.

But Doorly? not my thing. I've never listened (or heard much of the name period) to that other cat who gets a lot of hate like Doorly around here. Big Kris or something.

fractal · Post by **fractal** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 5:48 pm

I think "cheese" would be a more appropriate name for it

This thread has apperead so many times in he past 3 years, still no subgenres... I'm with gravious, "wot u call it?"

tdbz · Post by **tdbz** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:05 pm

I don't think there are many playing straight chainsaw 60 minute sets though? Not for long anyways.... LOL!

bass hertz · Post by **bass hertz** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:08 pm

maybe. but where does barrages of mayn sounds come in to play. Too many layers just clouds the mix. You can be nasty with only a single synth.

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:20 pm

its not "chainsaws" that are the problem. abrasive bass has been around in this sound for years. vex'd were doing it back in 2003-4. its just that nobodys bringing anything new to the table with it. its beyond a formula right now. overload is a better word. the more easy it is for this sound to be locked down into one formula by the general public, the more it loses its ability to change and mutate. its not about trying to protect one sound over another. if you think that, then thats your own insecurity talking. its about pushing for more experimental over more familiar. progression....

fractal · Post by **fractal** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:25 pm

yeah seck, it used to be the name of the game to push the sound fwd, also to make sure it was YOUR sound, reflective of YOUR surroundings

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:26 pm

Fractal wrote:yeah seck, it used to be the name of the game to push the sound fwd, also to make sure it was YOUR sound, reflective of YOUR surroundings

exactly!

bass hertz · Post by **bass hertz** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:26 pm

dubstep is ready for different structure and arrangement. 140 bpm and half time define the sound in my book. But the repetitivness and predictability of drops leaves nothing unique and fresh. Drum and bass got stuck with that shit with drops, double drops, snare roll build ups and rewinds.

TherapyBE · Post by **TherapyBE** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:27 pm

lot's of the new releases aren't music to me, just a collection of noise.
dubstep lost its identity over the last years imo.

adam_john · Post by **adam_john** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:28 pm

This reminds me of old discussions on dogsonacid where people argued about the direction of drum and bass, the reuse of sounds, how it used to be forward thinking, how it is stale, how skullstep sucks, etc. etc.

Same arguments, different genre.

I like it all the same - It's music.

Pada · Post by **Pada** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:29 pm

abZ wrote:I was still calling DNB Jungle in like 99 Count me out of the new micro-genres. I will still happily call it all dubstep whether you like it or not.

I produce both DnB and Dubstep and on my myspace the genre simply says jungle.

surface_tension · Post by **surface_tension** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:41 pm

seckle wrote:
Fractal wrote:yeah seck, it used to be the name of the game to push the sound fwd, also to make sure it was YOUR sound, reflective of YOUR surroundings
exactly!

and they are surrounded by shit chainsaw tunes.

abs · Post by **abs** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:42 pm

if you work as a tree surgeon can you get away with writing nothing but chainsaw tunes?

pikeymobile · Post by **pikeymobile** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:59 pm

MikeE wrote:BZPstep

= Every electronic genre

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