JWH-018

firky · Post by **firky** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 6:40 pm

Anyone tried this?

My mate's sending me some over from China, am not convinced of it myself.

ohmydays · Post by **ohmydays** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 6:55 pm

what does 'not convinced' mean?

It is a synthetic cannaboid, it works on cannabis receptors and gets you baked.

Be VERY careful dosing and use very precise scales as doses are in 1-5mg (check this with a number of sources to be certain)

Taking too much can have horrible horrible effects both mentally and physically.

Be very careful, also if you haven't bothered reading up on it (as you should do) then it is a research chemical and so is relatively untested, meaning it has the potential to be carcenagenic/dangerous etc. so undertake at your own risk.

Also it will be illegal in a few weeks/months (in the UK)

Do some proper research rather then asking a forum that is not properly related to drugs.

Also it is a poor mans weed full of potential for much deeper problems.

Hide_One · Post by **Hide_One** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 7:05 pm

After a quick wiki, just saw it was the stuff used in spice so yeh it'll wrk, just not as good as the real thing.

bandshell · Post by **bandshell** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 7:08 pm

research chemicals are a big no no for me.

stick to (relatively) natural stuff.

ohmydays · Post by **ohmydays** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 7:29 pm

It's all about the Ethnobotanicals (basically herbs that get you fucked)

Research chemicals are not worth the risk IMHO. Bandshell hits the nail on the head.

Also just to point out most street pills and some other illegal drugs are packed full of research chemicals and bad quality legal compounds. Hence why street pills are crap these days. Stay away.

It's often said 'ecstasy relatively safe' etc. etc. but they do not mean pills they mean MDMA. IMHO these headlines are very misleading as street pills are full of piperazines beta-ketones and all sorts of other useless rubbish, don't be a guinea pig.

EDIT - forgot to include when i said the JWHs could be cancerous i didn't explain there have been infant tests that actually come to this direct conclusion, but i do not know how reliable they are, but it is not worth the risk when cannabis is safer and can be argues slows/stops some cancers.

firky · Post by **firky** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 7:55 pm

bandshell wrote:research chemicals are a big no no for me.

stick to (relatively) natural stuff.

no, nor me..... but I am curious. When I say I am not convinced I mean I am not convinced that taking a bit of it's a good thing. I am aware of all the dangers etc. of such things, but I what I was more after is any ninja's who have tried it - as part of my research.

One to be thrown in the tin of 'shit my mate sent me from china' methinks, still have some strange pornographic playing cards that have to be illegal in there.

gwa · Post by **gwa** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 7:57 pm

anyone want to buy some methadrone of me?

firky · Post by **firky** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:04 pm

gwa wrote:anyone want to buy some methadrone of me?

Funny you should mention that, I was thinking of it when I started this thread. Quite a few of my mates swear by the stuff and seem to have a very good time on it - but nah.. not for me. Last festival I went at me and my mate just got stoned and drunk, and watched other people off their tits on that stuff. Also I am aware of friends of friends who have become addicted to the stuff, taking a line before work, then a couple more in their lunch hour etc. then losing their partner, and finally their job. Sounds fucking nasty to me. Biggest danger is that we don't have twenty odd years of documented research of taking these drugs to know of the long term or even short term side effects that we do with pills, coke or whatever. In some ways it could be argued that illicit drugs are less harmful than legal ones.

There's a long thread about it on U75 too with some people posting their positive and negative stories of it. Some of the negative stories make me wonder how it's still legal two years after it hit the headrooms.

ohmydays · Post by **ohmydays** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:07 pm

Then the answer to your thread is, some like it, some don't.

You will get baked and can have some fun, but i wouldn't suggest using it that much. I know people who have eyeballed doses (due to arrogance/stupidity) and had terrible panic attacks.

Some people enjoy it and prefer it to weed. I have done some research on the topic. . .

Stick to the natural counterparts.

For those that like herbs it is all about Kratom or Kakuam, has some great health benefits and can get you properly fucked in a good way. Those who like to enjoy themselves without taking chemicals should have a look into Kratom.

ohmydays · Post by **ohmydays** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:12 pm

gwa wrote:anyone want to buy some methadrone of me?

If you are going to attempt to sell research chemicals on this forum then at least spell it right. Mephedrone. Wrong place, wrong time.

firky · Post by **firky** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:14 pm

I agree, man. I'd rather stick to weed or ideally nothing at all just when I am getting a little bag of the stuff it is tempting especially when you read it's like being baked. Thing is with weed I love the smell, taste and act of rolling and smoking as much as I do of the effects, it's all part and parcel of it ant taking a little dab of this magic white powder doesn't seem as much 'fun' for want of a better word. Yet despite that... I am intrigued as to what these Chinese scientists have been cooking up in their lab.

Kratom derivatives are given to junkies to help them with the cravings when they're coming off it. We're not allowed to use it in this country yet AFAIK - we still prescribe them DF118s then tramadol, or just make them go cold turkey whereby they relapse

gwa · Post by **gwa** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:26 pm

OhMyDays wrote:
gwa wrote:anyone want to buy some methadrone of me?

If you are going to attempt to sell research chemicals on this forum then at least spell it right. Mephedrone. Wrong place, wrong time.

yeah i was being ironic

as for the spelling i don't know too much about it to know, i just know it's quite easily to get hold of.

Shae · Post by **Shae** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:33 pm

Keggah wrote:After a quick wiki, just saw it was the stuff used in spice so yeh it'll wrk, just not as good as the real thing.

lol spice is shit

ohmydays · Post by **ohmydays** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:34 pm

Kratom binds to opiate receptors so makes sense to give it to those who are harder junkies on opiates. Extracts are a bad thing in any herb/drug IMHO. Also extracts often lack the full range of feelings at the benefit of strength of one part of the feeling, IE chomping a load of poppy pods could feel as good or better as Heroin, without many of the negatives. Nature wins.

The reason why people love weed is because it is actually good for you and natural (despite what most people think - this is not a debate but a fact hundreds of physical and mental issues can be helped with it)

It isn't particularly good for the mind if levels of THC are not combined with the appropriate levels of CBDs within the cannabis resin gland. (arguably this is also only in cases of people with genetic dispositions to mental instabilities)

Get on the herbs people, kratom is good stuff.

ohmydays · Post by **ohmydays** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:38 pm

AddicteDub wrote:
Keggah wrote:After a quick wiki, just saw it was the stuff used in spice so yeh it'll wrk, just not as good as the real thing.
lol spice is shit

I think he already knows some like it and some don't. Definitely effective though, even if you don't like the feeling you can't deny it works . . .

. . . Just the feeling is shit. Think spice uses JWH-73 though. Not sure i can't remember.

firky · Post by **firky** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:43 pm

I think Spice is mixed with other poncey herbal highs, like panda poo and stuff.

OhMyDays wrote: Get on the herbs people, kratom is good stuff.

I think I'll stick to cream cakes and currant buns, thanks.

kins83 · Post by **kins83** » Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:32 am

I recommend Melange.

firky · Post by **firky** » Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:39 am

I'll have a wee dab of it tonight and report back. Looks even more ominous in the packet - especially with chinese writing on the back

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