Scream if you want to know the truth.

[abZ]

I still don't care. Most of the newbz on the dubs forum could probably use a MIDI file and still manage to make it sound like crap. When you are the biggest producer in the game people will try to take credit away as much as possible. I am in favor of sampling anything you can get your mits on including MIDI files, presets whatever fuck it. There is no "original" music anymore. Don't fool yourself and bother with trying to arrange our 12 notes in a way that no one else has, you can't. Rant, rant, rant

[xthewiddler]

this makes me a sad panda =[

[yong]

I don't even care.


I take/edit melodies from other tunes all the time.

[jsilver]

big up the don't care massive, yeah jeez ppl get used to the music of today

[xthewiddler]

I don't even care.


I take/edit melodies from other tunes all the time.

right, and everyone samples here an dthere but thats just it SAMPLING. its not called TAKINGTHEWHOLETHINGLING.

in the past i would constantly take midis and change synths/drums for my own fun and practice, but not to call it my own tune.

[abZ]

I don't even care.


I take/edit melodies from other tunes all the time.

right, and everyone samples here an dthere but thats just it SAMPLING. its not called TAKINGTHEWHOLETHINGLING.

in the past i would constantly take midis and change synths/drums for my own fun and practice, but not to call it my own tune.

Taking midi notes is sampling too. In a way it is kind of opposite at the same time. I like to sample sounds and put them in a new context, as in writing my own notes. Taking midi is like taking the notes but putting in your own sounds. Really the sounds are more important than the notes in electronic music imo. That is like that point. You get into it because you want to go beyond the standard sound pallet that bands have. Besides what is the difference between taking midi and as in 1000's of dubby dubstep tunes where they take bog standard reggae rhythm and chord progressions. Sure you may be plugging the notes in by hand but it isn't like you are the first one to come up with it.

[nowaysj]

There are new combos of notes to make new melodies. No doubt timbre is paramount now, but there are still new melodies, to think there isn't is a failure of imagination.

I've never been too easy with sampling. I love a lot of heavily sampled music, but I've had a real hard time doing it myself. It just doesn't feel right. Maybe I'll break through my inhibitions and put my name on someone else's music.

To think that this type of taking is inevitable or customary is a failure of conviction. It is this same type of failure that enables people like Bush and Hitler to commit their atrocities. Nothing is inevitable, not even death. If something is not okay, it is up to the strong to be strong and stand against it.

Music at it's heart is sampling though. Song birds learn songs from other birds, and then repeat them. Seems like music at its heart involves hearing something that moves u, and then recreating it, maybe playing with it. It is in the heart of language and song. Makes us what we are.

And this skream thing is old old news.

[abZ]

To think that this type of taking is inevitable or customary is a failure of conviction. It is this same type of failure that enables people like Bush and Hitler to commit their atrocities. Nothing is inevitable, not even death. If something is not okay, it is up to the strong to be strong and stand against it.

This is total bullshit here. I don't even really want to get into it tbh but it has nothing to do with conviction. You are just too wrapped up in the idea that music is personal property. Sure law is set up that way but that doesn't mean that it is the truth. You can't compare sampling to Bush and Hitler that is just a ridiculous statement. And it is fine for you to stand up against something but just because you think something is not ok does not make it universal truth.

At the end of the day it is Skreams job to make people smile, make a dance go off, whatever, I think he is pretty successful at that. If he was doing this and using the money from it to buy rolls royces and mansions and whatnot then maybe you could start the picket lines or start a lynch mob over this.

[nowaysj]

get used to the music of today

I was referring to this. The mere fact that everyone does it, or everyone thinks it's okay, does not make it okay. This as a bedrock principle of a convicted life. Not saying "re-branding" a song is okay or not.

I'm in no mood to gather a party together and hunt down Dr. Sreamenstein's Monster. I don't really care. When I hear this stuff it deflates me though. People and work that I respect are diminished in my eyes when I hear that they've taken songs like this.

[contakt321]

I am not condoning this, also I don't know if it's true or not.

Just a thought:

Where would he actually credit said midi loop company?

I mean, most releases these days are digital, some are 12"s. The 12"s are frequently in a generic die cut jacket.

Where should he credit them? In the song title "(featuring blah blah blah midi loops)"
On the center label? Many mix and mastering engineers frequently aren't credited there either.

I am curious what the company expects.

[nowaysj]

Were they in the biz of selling midi loops? I don't think so. From what I know, very little, they just published that stuff so people could listen to the dubs?

[grooki]

I think this is incrediblely disappointing. He looks as though he has pretty much lifted the whole thing.

I think it would have been ok if the title had been "whatever - dubroom, Skream VIP" or whatever. But he is pretty much claiming credit for other peoples work.

big up the don't care massive, yeah jeez ppl get used to the music of today

if I found that someone had done this with one of my tracks, I would be pissed off, as I am sure pretty much everyone here would be if it happened to them. I wouldn't think "that's just the way things are".

As fellow artists I hope that we can respect each others work, and that isn't respecting.

[wormcode]

I heard 'em at least a couple of years back when I recognized some of the melodies as I used to be really into the demo/mod/midi scene. I thought it was common knowledge that a couple of his tunes were like that, and in fact Skream himself told people when they said they liked a certain tune that they were presets etc (like the Reaktor one for example). As someone mentioned there was another huge thread a good while back.

I don't care personally.. if he was denying it or doing it on every single tune then maybe, but that's not the case and in my eyes good tune = good tune. Can't be so anal about everything otherwise you probably would be boycotting 99% of the music industry lol.

I still don't care. Most of the newbz on the dubs forum could probably use a MIDI file and still manage to make it sound like crap.

Truth, and I bet more than a handful of people have tried...He's definitely not the first person to do it either.

[dequo]

weeeeeak

[steveydubz]

i do kind of feel like saying i dont care as i have done it in the past, but then again i am not one of the leaders of the dubstep scene and i only make my beats for me! I do think its a bit of a piss take because if n e 1 else on here done that they would never hear the end of it! I suppose no1 can say hes passing it off as his own tho, hes not going to release the tune and then put everywhere "btw i've jacked the main riff" so maybe if you asked him he would say yea i remixed it or what ever. If you asked him and he tried passsing it off as his own that would be when id think wtf.

[stapleface]

bad times mate. i am disappointed but what can you do?

[nitz]

I think this is incrediblely disappointing. He looks as though he has pretty much lifted the whole thing.

I think it would have been ok if the title had been "whatever - dubroom, Skream VIP" or whatever. But he is pretty much claiming credit for other peoples work.

big up the don't care massive, yeah jeez ppl get used to the music of today

if I found that someone had done this with one of my tracks, I would be pissed off, as I am sure pretty much everyone here would be if it happened to them. I wouldn't think "that's just the way things are".

As fellow artists I hope that we can respect each others work, and that isn't respecting.

see thats a good idea now, many people are saying well yeh 0whatever i dont give a shit and all that, where would you place it on release? cant really put in right in the middle saying yeh i stole this midi file, but saying "dubroom, Skream VIP" or sometime would do just fine or he could have bootlegged it but no he didn't say one word about it, he could have made it free download in his blog and said oo i was on the internet and found a really good dub tune i loved so here a new re vamped remix.
and yeh some of you lot are saying i bet lots on peeps have done it not just him, well i could not disagree many peeps have done it and am guessing that they did not even said a word about it, but just cuz everyone else is doing it dont make it right,

If everyone started jumping of a flipping cliff you going to do it do............................................!!!

Its despicable, its not the fact that he has got the midi file and used it, there noting wrong with that, maybe if you show it to a few mates too, maybe that could be ok it, but the fact that he has released it and made money from it, even ifs a few pounds or a few grand. It does not matter how much money he said its the moral if it!

[screech]

Wack

[yellowhighlighter]

IMO this is kind of weak sauce.

i don't know about a lot of dubsteppers but i come from a hip-hop background so my background in production is from sampling. but i came up on chopping my samples to death. i wouldn't grab a whole 8 bar piano loop and drop some drums over it, but that's just me. personally speaking i like the skream tune. as long as he doesn't do this sort of thing all the time i think it's ok. some people might think "hey what's the difference between doing it once and doing it constantly?".

well if it's just a sort of once off thing i can dig that. sometimes when making music you find a dope loop and no matter how much chopping and rearranging you do it never sounds better than the original. in those situations it's better to just go "fuck it" and just use the whole thing, no editing done to it at all. that happens in rare occasions though and shouldn't be abused. then again i think people should only be taking only certain elements from songs, not multiple parts. i mean that is just plain laziness. but try to remember that superstar producers like skream are just regular people, in fact there are much more talented producers spending their time on internet forums talking shit. a lot of these guys were just in the right place at the right time, so obviously they just mistakes and shit.

[yellowhighlighter]

wtf am i talking about? i have around 100 songs with looped amens.