obama wins nobel peace prize

[hurlingdervish]

I haven't even said what I believe. I am not the one making a case...

I don't see a reason to say that obama is innocent or guilty. All I know is that there is a bigger problem with the congress and TV than the president. and as far as I am concerned his innocence or guilt is a non-issue in comparison to a privately funded propaganda machine working hard against him out of racism and bigotry (oh and politcal stance, but thats just a minor thing... )...

and you say "this isn't a court of law" (though the rationality applies elsewhere) but in reality if you were to take this to a level where you could prosecute someone , it would be a court of law, and he would be innocent until proven guilty. This isn't guilty until proven innocent...things don't work that way anywhere in life...with people stealing your food....not doing your favors...cheating on you...anywhere

here respond to this without nitpicking word choice or semantics

[alien pimp]

substance for you means to say one thing and five minutes later nonchalantly the opposite

[hurlingdervish]

substance for you means to say one thing and five minutes later nonchalantly the opposite

Ill take that as you have nothing to say.

You took things out of context to "prove" that, but in actuality you just misunderstood them. back to the topic at hand....

[alien pimp]

here respond to this without nitpicking word choice or semantics

that's funny, i thought i was chasing you around because you cowardly avoided to answer the question i asked first and ended up contradicting yourself

[hurlingdervish]

here respond to this without nitpicking word choice or semantics

that's funny, i thought i was chasing you around because you cowardly avoided to answer the question i asked first and ended up contradicting yourself

honestly I have no fucking clue what you are talking about any more...when did I contradict myself???

maybe some things needed quotes "just because you cant prove something doesn't mean its true" was supposed to be in quotes, that was not me saying it, just referring to a poor argument stance

[surface_tension]

I haven't even said what I believe. I am not the one making a case...

I don't see a reason to say that obama is innocent or guilty. All I know is that there is a bigger problem with the congress and TV than the president. and as far as I am concerned his innocence or guilt is a non-issue in comparison to a privately funded propaganda machine working hard against him out of racism and bigotry (oh and politcal stance, but thats just a minor thing... )...

and you say "this isn't a court of law" (though the rationality applies elsewhere) but in reality if you were to take this to a level where you could prosecute someone , it would be a court of law, and he would be innocent until proven guilty. This isn't guilty until proven innocent...things don't work that way anywhere in life...with people stealing your food....not doing your favors...cheating on you...anywhere

here respond to this without nitpicking word choice or semantics

Obama openly has a policy of taxing those who make a certain amount of money each year(an act of open aggression!) and giving it away to those who do not. That's not very nice. I can have an issue with that shit and not be a racist. Obama is a party to genocide just like the rest of them. I don't give a shit what party he is for, it's the wrong way forward. Who gives a damn what color his skin is? His fucking policies suck and he's a coward. He could damn well force any legislation through that he wants. He can't even get congress in line with him and he got like 65% of the popular vote. I mean ffs... MANDATE... do something.

But he's done nothing. Does that make me racist? When our President is a fucking moron, it hurts us all... not just white or black persons. We're all fucked.

[hurlingdervish]

I haven't even said what I believe. I am not the one making a case...

I don't see a reason to say that obama is innocent or guilty. All I know is that there is a bigger problem with the congress and TV than the president. and as far as I am concerned his innocence or guilt is a non-issue in comparison to a privately funded propaganda machine working hard against him out of racism and bigotry (oh and politcal stance, but thats just a minor thing... )...

and you say "this isn't a court of law" (though the rationality applies elsewhere) but in reality if you were to take this to a level where you could prosecute someone , it would be a court of law, and he would be innocent until proven guilty. This isn't guilty until proven innocent...things don't work that way anywhere in life...with people stealing your food....not doing your favors...cheating on you...anywhere

here respond to this without nitpicking word choice or semantics

Obama openly has a policy of taxing those who make a certain amount of money each year(an act of open aggression!) and giving it away to those who do not. That's not very nice. I can have an issue with that shit and not be a racist. Obama is a party to genocide just like the rest of them. I don't give a shit what party he is for, it's the wrong way forward. Who gives a damn what color his skin is? His fucking policies suck and he's a coward. He could damn well force any legislation through that he wants. He can't even get congress in line with him and he got like 65% of the popular vote. I mean ffs... MANDATE... do something.

But he's done nothing. Does that make me racist? When our President is a fucking moron, it hurts us all... not just white or black persons. We're all fucked.

you misread....his dissenters are not necessarily racists (though you have to admit the groups do overlap...look at the protest signs) and are largely just normal people like you with LEGIT concerns...no question there trust me

but the people responsible for the television broadcasts bashing him are bigots....you can't defend limbaugh as not being a racist, you can't defend glen beck as not being a bigot....you just can't

they are fueling the fire even though there would be flames with out them no doubt

[alien pimp]

no actually i dont, its the accusation that needs proof

correct is: anything that wants to pass as true needs proves!

said it yourself

honestly I have no fucking clue what you are talking about any more...when did I contradict myself???

quotes, just quotes...

[hurlingdervish]

no actually i dont, its the accusation that needs proof

correct is: anything that wants to pass as true needs proves!

said it yourself

honestly I have no fucking clue what you are talking about any more...when did I contradict myself???

quotes, just quotes...

whether you like it or not Obama is accepted as being innocent of conspiracy because no accusations have been made and proven . So like it or not that at the moment is true. Your concept of my contradiction is based on assumptions that he is guilty and I (who is not obama) need to prove his innocence. No I do not, I am not Obama, I am not the grand jury, you, the person making accusations need to bring the proof.

[alien pimp]

anything that wants to pass as true needs proves!

said it yourself

No I do not

honestly I have no fucking clue what you are talking about any more...when did I contradict myself???

quotes, just quotes...

[hurlingdervish]

I dont need to prove he is innocent

you aren't from the USA right?

innocent until proven guilty wasn't pulled out of someones ass during a late night bumfuck with some freemason

[hurlingdervish]

innocent until proven guilty wasn't pulled out of someones ass during a late night bumfuck with some freemason

oh I guess I need to prove that too

[alien pimp]

I dont need to prove he is innocent

is different from:

get rid of the cliches man, that's in court! we're thinking rationally/scientifically here. when they prove it in science, those are no accusations.
correct is: anything that wants to pass as true needs proves!

said it yourself

ta daaaa!

[hurlingdervish]

we aren't talking about philosophical concepts

we are talking about laws being broken, or bent, or treason

the same rules apply in court as they do in debate anyway...but apparently thats nonsense to you

[alien pimp]

so you can't understand the concept of true/false, only innocent/guilty
you're the kind of guy that asked if the traffic light is red answers "guilty"?

do you understand that you can't say "everyobody = just the accusation? so you still have to opt for one of the two

[hurlingdervish]

so you can't understand the concept of true/false, only innocent/guilty
you're the kind of guy that asked if the traffic light is red answers "guilty"?

do you understand that you can't say "everyobody = just the accusation? so you still have to opt for one of the two

in this specific case

innocent and guilty are the answers

he is innocent right now because nothing has been proven true to say otherwise

NOTHING

show me the evidence to say otherwise...please show me. show me the checks written to him, show me something anything

[hurlingdervish]

you can prove hes cowardly...

you can prove hes has not delivered on promises....

you cannot prove hes a puppet without something to back that up besides an opinion that you have acquired out of past experience

[alien pimp]

in this specific case

innocent and guilty are the answers

he is innocent right now because nothing has been proven true to say otherwise

NOTHING

show me the evidence to say otherwise...please show me. show me the checks written to him, show me something anything

differs from your earlier vision when you agreed with me:

that's in court! we're thinking rationally/scientifically here. when they prove it in science, those are no accusations.
correct is: anything that wants to pass as true needs proves!

said it yourself

like "anything" differs from "anything minus this specific case"
you said two things that are opposite and you still avoid in which of the two occasions you contradicted yourself, can't be both true

[hurlingdervish]

in this specific case

innocent and guilty are the answers

he is innocent right now because nothing has been proven true to say otherwise

NOTHING

show me the evidence to say otherwise...please show me. show me the checks written to him, show me something anything

differs from your earlier vision when you agreed with me:

that's in court! we're thinking rationally/scientifically here. when they prove it in science, those are no accusations.
correct is: anything that wants to pass as true needs proves!

said it yourself

I was agreeing with anything that needs to pass as true needs proof
when they prove it in science, no notion has existed of it before....
when you are accusing people its different
if I say You have killed somebody!
prior to that accusation it was accepted as true (therefore your life is that proof) that you have never killed anybody, therefore remains true until someone proves that you killed somebody.

[alien pimp]

in this specific case

innocent and guilty are the answers

he is innocent right now because nothing has been proven true to say otherwise

NOTHING

show me the evidence to say otherwise...please show me. show me the checks written to him, show me something anything

differs from your earlier vision when you agreed with me:

that's in court! we're thinking rationally/scientifically here. when they prove it in science, those are no accusations.
correct is: anything that wants to pass as true needs proves!

said it yourself

I was agreeing with anything that needs to pass as true needs proof
when they prove it in science, no notion has existed of it before....
when you are accusing people its different
if I say You have killed somebody!
prior to that accusation it was accepted as true (therefore your life is that proof) that you have never killed anybody, therefore remains true until someone proves that you killed somebody.

so always or just in some cases you decide?
opt man if you have the balls!

of course,
1. if you opt for always - then your case is included and you have to accept you contradicted yourself when you took yourself out of the equation plus add proves for what i asked
2. if you opt for just some cases, then you contradicted yourself when you said always

so opt man, don't beat it around the bush 4 more pages cause nothing's gonna improve for your position!