dnb jumping on dubstep

hate recordings · Post by **hate recordings** » Sat Dec 09, 2006 8:06 am

Mr. Smith wrote:stateside support for anything besides fall out boy is non existant

Yup. You think everyone knows who Richie Hawtin is? Think everyone knows who Paul Oakenfold is? You're sadly mistaken.

It's kinda funny really. Underground dance music is as low on the music industry totem pole and very close to the "kereoki singing" potion as far as how many people hear something over here.

And even if they do hear it, this is what they think in thier head:

"Alright! This is gonna sound like Fall Out Boy or Panic At The Disco!.....Ok, not yet... just give it a second, wait for the standard guitars....no...nope, this doesnt sound like Fall Out Boy at all! I immediately have grown tired of these sounds that do not sound like Fall Out Boy or Panic At The Disco."

Then they say out loud:

"I don't like this."

parson · Post by **parson** » Sat Dec 09, 2006 8:41 am

Wicked Sway wrote:

boomting · Post by **boomting** » Sat Dec 09, 2006 11:39 am

i'm not trying to offend anyone but i think you are all being far too precious. i thought the whole ethos of dubstep was that it is an amalgamation of elements from different styles of music. Too be honest i couldn't give a fuck who's listening, djing or producing. i'm just in it for the music. Who want's dubstep to be some kind of eliteist (masons style) club. . . ? Stop being a bunch of old women!

kion · Post by **kion** » Sat Dec 09, 2006 9:31 pm

Do you think early Jazz pioneers and fans thought the same about the legions of Marching Band posses gradually switching over at the time - possibly, but they were wrong. History moves on and so do people, ain't no new thing.

Constant cycle of evolution, won't stop either. And what about all the heads from countless other genres who are getting into it. It's just a convergence after years of divergence within the electronic musical sphere.

pompende · Post by **pompende** » Sat Dec 09, 2006 10:01 pm

the american music industry is exactly why i would not want dubstep to "blow up" stateside.
see my earlier comment that americans cannot differentiate music from its potential commercial applications.

spooKs · Post by **spooKs** » Sat Dec 09, 2006 10:24 pm

Parson wrote:fuck the talk of bandwagon

everybody wants the scene to grow but when it grows its all bandwagon

fucking nonsense is what that is

EXACTLY

growth is growth things can't just get bigger and bigger but stay 'underground' that's paradoxical as fuck

nobbers

psylensa · Post by **psylensa** » Sat Dec 09, 2006 10:47 pm

Mr. Smith wrote:i KNOW the dubstep community supremely outnumbers what's going on stateside. i know this. and maybe in the u.k. your beloved dubstep community is being swamped by so called "bandwagoneers". having said that, you may not want dubstep to grow just so you can hold on to your precious "scene", but we need it to grow stateside. i'm part of the dnb exodus and have no problems letting you know that. having been around dnb for some time now, stateside support for anything besides fall out boy is non existant and i see the same tired heads at every event and have since '99.

Amen

Part of the "dnb exodus' myself after half of me just got tired with the same old same old and watching it become what it has over here which still pales in comaprison to what its like in the UK area.....and the other half of me pushing into my late 20's just enjoys a bit different style then my 18 year old self did....

Considering the minimal exposure its gotten in my neck of the woods (NY) with the exception of Dub War and a few smaller things Id say that weve got a good 5-10 years before it becomes something more than the severely underground trend that it is right now....and even then it wont make up for anything close to the level of mainstream music that we have to deal with over here.....shit....aside from college radio at 4 am you cant find any EDM of any sort on the radio....no Kiss FM.....no pirate radio....nada....

Really though.....appreciate what you have in the UK area....I went to my first dubstep event a little over a month ago...been wanting to hit up another one ever since....and with the exception of 3 hours worth of it last night at a DNB event that I missed out on and Dub War this month which Ill probably miss out on cause its on a Thursday weve got nothing....if the Dubstep community quadruples with nothing but geeked out DNB heads I couldnt be more happy....at least Id have some place to go....

pablex · Post by **pablex** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 2:59 am

boomting wrote:i'm not trying to offend anyone but i think you are all being far too precious. i thought the whole ethos of dubstep was that it is an amalgamation of elements from different styles of music.

isn't that actually what ALL electronic post-modern music is about?

the decoy · Post by **the decoy** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:48 am

South3rn wrote:Not sure about the other two but
Dubwar 001 and HPR 001?

Top notch stateside business.

Nothing but a good thang!

yeah, that moldy record sounds really good.

sand leaper · Post by **sand leaper** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 3:02 am

Pablex wrote:
boomting wrote:i'm not trying to offend anyone but i think you are all being far too precious. i thought the whole ethos of dubstep was that it is an amalgamation of elements from different styles of music.
isn't that actually what ALL electronic post-modern music is about?

Correct. Trance has done it (DJ Dag and Crazy Malamute), techno does it (Kirk DeGiorgio, Rhythm & Sound/Basic Channel), house does it (hip house anyone?), dnb does it (Mental Sharp, Illskillz remixing Dumonde) hiphop does it (Necro teaming up with former Dio and Savatage-members), hardcore does it (Hellfish & Producer, DJ Promo's various experiments with his label) etc. etc.

That still didn't stop all of those genres from becoming ruthlessly exploited and watered down for commercial intent, and ultimately driving them all into one sad state of affairs in virtually every single aspect. I doubt that anyone figured trance for the 100k dj worshipping massive about 13 years ago either, when the records sounded like what Harthouse and Eye Q were putting out at the time. I also doubt that Mr.C ever thought he would see something like Put Your Hands Up For Detroit in the charts as "house". 6 years later however, they were all scratching their heads thinking "is this really what we wanted?" as Paul Oakenfold put his hands in the air in front of a sold out Gatecrasher for the umpteenth time.

This doesn't mean that I'm spelling the doom of dubstep 5 years from now. I too have a hard time picturing dubstep in a form that has mass commercial appeal at the moment. That doesn't mean that it is an impossibility though.

furiouz · Post by **furiouz** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:33 am

phurious wrote:Does anyone remember uber House producer Todd Terry's soiree into drum n bass with his Revolutions album?

I wish there was forums around when that one was released.

Incidentally I quite like the album...a tad (or is that Todd ) simplistic, but some of it is funny in a good way.

Armand van Helden did that too. Crazy jump up biz.

flipw · Post by **flipw** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:05 am

hope dubstep stays guitar free

furiouz · Post by **furiouz** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:27 am

flipw wrote:hope dubstep stays guitar free

Already heard a couple of tunes with electric guitars...... me not feeling

metalboxproducts · Post by **metalboxproducts** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:30 am

flipw wrote:hope dubstep stays guitar free

Er, Scuba?

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:41 am

metalboxproducts wrote:
flipw wrote:hope dubstep stays guitar free
Er, Scuba?

Erm, Distance (or maybe it just sounds like old metal)

Jubz · Post by **Jubz** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 2:27 pm

flipw wrote:hope dubstep stays guitar free

yo, dude, that is like, TOTALLY stuuuupid.

wicked sway · Post by **wicked sway** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 2:39 pm

Jubscarz wrote:
flipw wrote:hope dubstep stays guitar free
yo, dude, that is like, TOTALLY stuuuupid.

Agreed.

joseph-j · Post by **joseph-j** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 3:47 pm

metalboxproducts wrote:
flipw wrote:hope dubstep stays guitar free
Er, Scuba?

I like those actually. As long as dubstep stays panpipe-free, then we're ok.

flipw · Post by **flipw** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 3:49 pm

Wicked Sway wrote:
Jubscarz wrote:
flipw wrote:hope dubstep stays guitar free
yo, dude, that is like, TOTALLY stuuuupid.
Agreed.

Oh dear.....looks like there are a few guitar fans here already

forensix (mcr) · Post by **forensix (mcr)** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 3:50 pm

Joseph-J wrote:
metalboxproducts wrote:
flipw wrote:hope dubstep stays guitar free
Er, Scuba?
I like those actually. As long as dubstep stays panpipe-free, then we're ok.

er better scrap my pan pipe dub then

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