serious question: Which DAW to use?

[deadly_habit]

This is why you got a well known DAW and pay for it, because if anything does go wrong they will sort it out for you!

I've seen A LOT of extremely disgruntled steiny people. Was just reading a thread about their bit bridge, fucking hilarious. Steiny said they can't guarantee that all third party vst's will work with their bridge, then someone hoisted them in saying that their own 32 bit vst's don't work with their bridge. Steiny's response - go buy jbridge! HA HA HA! I've never seen such a big fuck u from a corp developer. HA HA HA.

From what I can tell, reapers squad is WAY more responsive to user requests.

I've seen the same level of dissatisfaction from logic and sonar heads as well, so I don't know what the solution is really. Just keep doing what ur doing?

much as i love steinburg for cubase and whole vst platform they are always last to adapt and worst custy support

im going to be an asshole and say its cause they are german

i'm gonna say cause their product cost too much and last support time i needed them was sx 2 they were pirated like mad

[nowaysj]

Think about it - Emagic/logic back in the day, steiny, native instruments, ableton. Who else? All german assholes That is wat I call a lot of sour kraut.

[deadly_habit]

Think about it - Emagic/logic back in the day, steiny, native instruments, ableton. Who else? All german assholes That is wat I call a lot of sour kraut.

see im older cubase black and white on atari and still getting updates on octamed on amiga platform new version

[hurlingdervish]

Think about it - Emagic/logic back in the day, steiny, native instruments, ableton. Who else? All german assholes That is wat I call a lot of sour kraut.

yea see the answer for those programs successes is also german engineering

so so far we have

GERMAN STEREOTYPES:
-ASSHOLES
-SOFTWARE ENGINEERS
-FANS OF DOMINATRIX*




*seems right.

[hurlingdervish]

i'm gonna say cause their product cost too much and last support time i needed them was sx 2 they were pirated like mad

they don't even have a demo of the new version



lame.

[nowaysj]

yea see the answer for those programs successes is also german engineering

Really doubt that. I think they came early, and they came hard

German software is unnecessarily complicated without a care in the world for user experience. Everything is compartmentalized and discrete. Nothing is dynamic and context sensitive.

I mean it took them to get to cubase 5 to offer a 1/10 of the functionality of fruity with that beat maker groove agent thing. ha ha ha. Welcome to the party fuckers, have a waffle.

[deadly_habit]

das es techno sex

[hurlingdervish]

yea see the answer for those programs successes is also german engineering

Really doubt that. I think they came early, and they came hard

German software is unnecessarily complicated without a care in the world for user experience. Everything is compartmentalized and discrete. Nothing is dynamic and context sensitive.

I mean it took them to get to cubase 5 to offer a 1/10 of the functionality of fruity with that beat maker groove agent thing. ha ha ha. Welcome to the party fuckers, have a waffle.

welcome to not playing along with my bad jokes

[deadly_habit]

fl studio is still a fucking joke when it comes to audio if we want to be serious
welcome to why i went ot cubase
even fl9 sucks for ausio editing or recording
production beats and shit: fl
serious ausio: cubase, pro tools or go to mac and logic or hell sonar
fl is a joke when you go beyond making beats for ease

[deadly_habit]

blah and before backlash
i made some of my best tunes in fl etc and know plenty who use
its just ass backwards when it comes to audio
if cubase and fl had a bastard child id be in heaven

[nowaysj]

They made it worse for audio in 9. I used to run my 8 projects at 900 something ppq, which let me zoom in pretty good to make audio edits in the playlist. But the cpu overhead to do that in 9 is through the roof. 1/2 the reason I've entered the cube.

I mean, grabing moving, zoom audio in fl's playlist is superior, imo of course, to cubases. But cubase's sample accurate zooming in playlist... fucking hell, I am TIGHTENING MY SHIT UP.

But I find it funny that after all this time they come out with the beat designer. Its a fischer price toy compared to fl's step sequencer, which allow 64 beats, so a nice 4 bar drum loop, per beat per voice velocity, pan, pitch, release, note shift (if y'all don't know what that is, check it). Cubase's allows 16 steps and velocity. Anyone have a screen shot of fruity from 99 handy? ha.

[youthful_implants]

Ableton innit, just cos the plugz are more fun than Cubase which is what I normally use.

I think Logic is unnecessariily unintuitive and slow for audio so its a no no from me.

[nitz]

This is why you got a well known DAW and pay for it, because if anything does go wrong they will sort it out for you!

I've seen A LOT of extremely disgruntled steiny people. Was just reading a thread about their bit bridge, fucking hilarious. Steiny said they can't guarantee that all third party vst's will work with their bridge, then someone hoisted them in saying that their own 32 bit vst's don't work with their bridge. Steiny's response - go buy jbridge! HA HA HA! I've never seen such a big fuck u from a corp developer. HA HA HA.

From what I can tell, reapers squad is WAY more responsive to user requests.

I've seen the same level of dissatisfaction from logic and sonar heads as well, so I don't know what the solution is really. Just keep doing what ur doing?

Haha this is why am on reason haah

[nowaysj]

Yeah, like reason heads haven't been complaining about vst support since version2

[jsills]

ima go head and say get Ableton.

but at the end of the day it doesnt matter what your use its the end results that count, and any daw can get you there.

i use ableton and it has never let me down.

[nitz]

ima go head and say get Ableton.

but at the end of the day it doesnt matter what your use its the end results that count, and any daw can get you there.

i use ableton and it has never let me down.

Yeah, like reason heads haven't been complaining about vst support since version2

I don't complain, and i know many people who don't.. we are fine with out them

and yes to what nowaysj said, a good producer once told me "its not what you use its how you use it" i still believe that to some extend.

[86.]

is Sonar going to be a forgotten DAW. I always hear complaints...and it seems like no one is using that shit.


And the last version I used of Logic was on PC. it was indeed unnecessarily unintiuitive...and the manual explained things in a very roundabout way, and still got me nowhere.

and the audio factory or sample factory was retarded

[nowaysj]

And the last version I used of Logic was on PC

That was a train wreck. The design of the code was bad enough, but the actual implementation of the design on the pc was just straight swiss cheeze.

[alphacat]

...and yes to what nowaysj said, a good producer once told me "its not what you use its how you use it" i still believe that to some extend.

Nowaysj is right on the money.

I mean, Scratch Perry was recording on homemade gear in a dirt-floored former chicken shack;

Burial used one program - a sound editor, not a high-end tracking app - for his first record;

Hive made his first album entirely on an MPC without any Mac or PC whatsoever...

...the list goes on and on.

Sometimes in fact having technical limitations can be a blessing and make you better at the whole thing because it forces you to understand, overcome, and ultimately make lemons out of lemonade, so to speak.

[nowaysj]

One of the reasons Reason is so good, pure lemon.