Question on bpm, keys and beatmatching

gettingcolder · Post by **gettingcolder** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 5:04 pm

... and I think that there are some nasty tracks where the bpm change within the tune. At least that's the impression I got with some Coki tunes.

Ah yeah, I've always wanted to ask that here on the forum: Does the tempo really change WITHIN some of Coki's tunes?!?

strmtrpr · Post by **strmtrpr** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 5:20 pm

I find it really hard to believe that he would actually shift tempo, but I haven't really been paying attention to what Coki does now a days. Can u name song where you think the tempo changes?

gwa · Post by **gwa** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 5:35 pm

gettingcolder wrote:... and I think that there are some nasty tracks where the bpm change within the tune. At least that's the impression I got with some Coki tunes.

Ah yeah, I've always wanted to ask that here on the forum: Does the tempo really change WITHIN some of Coki's tunes?!?

which coki tracks do that, otherwise you're just playing vinyl rips.

Dubzteppa · Post by **Dubzteppa** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 5:50 pm

okay thanks

so is +1 on my cdj 1 bpm? so if one track is 143 i need to put the pitch to -3 in order to mix it to a 140 bpm track?

gwa · Post by **gwa** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:12 pm

No, CDJs pitch should never 'slip' because they are digital

After time decks need servicing, you can also rewire the pitch to be at a faster tempo and what not. its hard to explain as i'm not a techy head when it comes to stuff like this.

I think, if I can remember correctly, 0.7 pitch = 1 BPM, so 1.4 = 2 BPM, I could be wrong. Anyway, learn to beat match with your ears, not by numbers.

Pada · Post by **Pada** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:25 pm

gwa wrote:
I think, if I can remember correctly, +1 pitch = 0.7 BPM, so +2 = 1.4 BPM, I could be wrong. Anyway, learn to beat match with your ears, not by numbers.

Surely it depends on the speed of the tune in the first place - because it's a % increase in the speed of the turntable.

Pada · Post by **Pada** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:25 pm

gwa wrote:
I think, if I can remember correctly, +1 pitch = 0.7 BPM, so +2 = 1.4 BPM, I could be wrong. Anyway, learn to beat match with your ears, not by numbers.

Surely it depends on the speed of the tune in the first place - because it's a % increase in the speed of the turntable.

Pada · Post by **Pada** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:25 pm

gwa wrote:
I think, if I can remember correctly, +1 pitch = 0.7 BPM, so +2 = 1.4 BPM, I could be wrong. Anyway, learn to beat match with your ears, not by numbers.

Surely it depends on the speed of the tune in the first place - because it's a % increase in the speed of the turntable.

gwa · Post by **gwa** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:27 pm

Why would it matter to what speed the tune is. +1 on the pitch would mean it.s 0.7 BPM faster? I don't think % is related

Pada · Post by **Pada** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:31 pm

gwa wrote:Why would it matter to what speed the tune is. +1 on the pitch would mean it.s 0.7 BPM faster? I don't think % is related

because if a tune is at 100 bpm and you increase the speed by 1% then it would be 101 bpm but if it's at 200 bpm and you increase the speed by 1% it would be 202 bpm

*http://books.google.com/books?id=n0UpYd ... le&f=false*

source.

gwa · Post by **gwa** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:35 pm

Actually. You might be right, but. Non the less, use your ears

Pada · Post by **Pada** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:38 pm

gwa wrote:No, I still stand by my comment.

even though I have a published book that says otherwise?

I dunno maybe I'm wrong I just always assumed thats how it worked.

Think about it a increase in speed on the record is gonna effect a 200bpm record more than a 100bpm record

gwa · Post by **gwa** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:44 pm

Yeah fair enough, I was coming from using Traktor. Infact, I think I got confused in my earlier posts. I just remember that 0.7% = 1 BPM (I think thats where I got confused). Maybe 0.7% = 1 BPM coming from 140BPM. Vica versa. Fool I be.

gwa · Post by **gwa** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:45 pm

oops.

Coppola · Post by **Coppola** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:47 pm

Bottom line is use your ears.

When I first started I had a list of the BPM of my records, Don't do it!

gettingcolder · Post by **gettingcolder** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:15 pm

strmtrpr wrote:I find it really hard to believe that he would actually shift tempo, but I haven't really been paying attention to what Coki does now a days. Can u name song where you think the tempo changes?

I think it's the case with both 'Tortured' and 'Shattered' (vinyl), but it's more obvious with Tortured. I just re-checked it. I usually don't have problems with precise beat-matching, at least when relaxed/at home. But here, whenever I think I've finally made it, the tempo first increases and then decreases or vice versa, and this happens within a time-span of 10-20 seconds or so, without me having moved the pitch control.
I would really like to know if anyone else has had the same adventure with Coki

gwa · Post by **gwa** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:21 pm

just ride the pitch then, maybe something is up with your record?

iron myke · Post by **iron myke** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:41 pm

Dubzteppa wrote:One more question, if two tracks are both 140 bpm, and i bring one tune in on the beat (i always go for the snare, is that ok?) i wont need to adjust the pitch control at all, will i? they should just be in time and stay in time, right?

someone please fill me in on this!!

If they are the same tempo, you won't need to hit the pitch fader. But if they are not in phase (hitting at the same time) You'll need to learn to "touch" the deck to either nudge it forward by pushing on the label or slow it down by letting your finger graze the nubs on the side of the platter [ on a cdj you just spin the side of the platter forward or backward]

shakedown · Post by **shakedown** » Tue Oct 20, 2009 11:02 am

gwa wrote:

Bringing in tunes - If you listen to the track enough, you'll know it like the back of your hand. That too is a case of personal preference, getting a breakdown and an intro to drop at the same time is a double drop, popular mixing technique.

Hope that helps.

No your wrong, double drops are a hugely contentious issue and your confusing simple regular structured mixing with arguably the most debated mixing technique out there, well it used to be in dnb anyways, its a really tricky technique that almost always sounds crap, finding two tracks that double drop together well (i.e both basslines start at the same time but work together in a rhythm without conflict) is like the holy grail of mixing.

sorry to be pedantic, just wanted to clear that up.

Drop (music)
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The drop is the point in a track where a switch of rhythm or bassline occurs and usually follows a recognizable build section and break.

In hip hop and electronica, the proceeding reintroduction of the full bass line and drums is known as the drop.
[edit] Double drop

In drum and bass, skilled DJs sometimes perform what is called the "double drop": beatmatching two tracks in a way that the drop, and hence the respective climaxes, occur at the same time.

gwa · Post by **gwa** » Tue Oct 20, 2009 11:15 am

Fair enough, although can you explain a bit more. I was always under the impression that my theory was what a DD is. Although I see what you mean. Excuse my ignorance

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