Guardian Article - Completely misses the point

nicemarmot · Post by **nicemarmot** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 10:48 am

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/music/2006/ ... scene.html

This is first and foremost fucking dance music. The scene is not about albums. Terrible article by someone who doesn't seem to know shit about dubstep.

dolly · Post by **dolly** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 10:55 am

[quote="NiceMarmot"]http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/music/2006/ ... scene.html

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poax · Post by **poax** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 10:57 am

there right.

in my line of fire.

mos dan · Post by **mos dan** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 10:58 am

watch as the guardian learn the downside of having open comment boxes, hahaha.

it is a dreadfully off-point piece in many respects.

you know you get paid £75 for a blog post like that on guardian unlimited as well.

boomnoise · Post by **boomnoise** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:05 am

lynchmob time

dj $hy · Post by **dj $hy** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:09 am

With too many special effects, and not enough that's really special, the days of dubstep are numbered.

Close the forum, we're fucked! Our days are numbered...

What a twat this guy is

elgato · Post by **elgato** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:12 am

mos dan wrote:you know you get paid £75 for a blog post like that on guardian unlimited as well.

unbelievable. so idiots can peddle their poorly written, ill-informed wares and get paid! i guess why should the music press change the habit of a lifetime ooooooh (jk/unfair generalisation)

whats the crack with editorial control then?

forensix (mcr) · Post by **forensix (mcr)** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:14 am

Jamie Collinson throws mud at walls as label manager of Big Dada Recordings, promoter of WWWHUT!? at 93 Feet East and as a freelance writer for Blowback, Flux and Clash magazines.

the scene is yet to produce a good album -a) who fucking cares everyone buys singles
and b) when was the last time big dada released a decent album?

much as I hate to agree with a magazine akin to a yearbook for the school in-crowd.

you write for blowback lets quote their website shall we

Blowback is a lifestyle title for 21st century media savvy creatures (stnuc)

jack sparrow1 · Post by **jack sparrow1** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:19 am

yeah well there paper lines my fish and chips

and i wipe my scurvy arse on there paper

each to there own

why fight a war with a lesser equiped army

ramadanman · Post by **ramadanman** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:33 am

this article pisses me off....

boomnoise · Post by **boomnoise** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:34 am

everyone's entitled to their opinions.

interestingly this guy promotes wwwhut at 93ft east where he has put on youngsta and plastician, so it's not as if he HATES dubstep. in essense some of his points are interesting but he doesn't do himself any favours by not expanding upon them and taking a tone which revels in his criticism of dubstep - oh how risque!

i would care less about someone slagging it if they got all their facts straight.

dan, a riposte? i think your contribution to this site is long overdue. especially after the crazy titch one and now this.

jackquinox · Post by **jackquinox** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:35 am

Personally i only read SugaR ape

What a nob!

ramadanman · Post by **ramadanman** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:36 am

i don't care if he doesn't like dubstep

it's just as you say, the tone of the article is the worst thing

also aren't there some innacuracies?

e.g. skepta getting banned from FWD for egging the bouncer? as opposed to there being violence inside the club?

thinking · Post by **thinking** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:42 am

well who's gotta way with words? Anyone want to sign up and offer a well-thought out intelligent riposte??

selector.dub.u · Post by **selector.dub.u** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:47 am

I just put my hata blockas on

flipw · Post by **flipw** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:47 am

article is written by ".......a sometime grime promoter..." and "label manager to the grime artist Wiley......."

to help understand why he disses dubstep (except when linked to grime) and moans about the lack of albums read his other article about grime. It bigs up his grime mates and promises:

"Next year will see full-length releases from Wiley, Dizzee Rascal, Kano and Lethal Bizzle, some of the brightest stars in the genre."

suppose he would prefer we spend our cash on grime events and LPs? at least then some might end up in his pockets.

paulie · Post by **paulie** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 12:01 pm

He's not really dissing dubstep, all he's said is that there haven't been any good albums. The Burial album is good, but it was also hyped up to a ridiculous and unjustifed extent. That quote from Vice is hilarious actually, not too far off the mark either.

But anyway, he neglects to mention that apart from Dizzee's two efforts there haven't been any good grime albums either and actually the standard of albums if anything has been lower than dubstep. That is really poor, coming from a genre that tries to portray itself as the UK version of hip-hop, compared to what is essentially a 12"/rave-based electronic music genre.

He's talking utter bollocks when he gets into the trip-hop analogy. Trip-hop was completely insubstantial compared to dubstep, and grime is completely insubstantial compared to hip hop. And the notion that trip hop was a "more digestible" version of hip hop is just weird.

The central premise of the post, that dubstep hasn't really delivered outside the context of clubs has to be acknowledged though. Neither has grime, but that's not really the point.

ramadanman · Post by **ramadanman** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 12:04 pm

The question is whether dubstep is trying to deliver outside the context of clubs or not?

Heard the whole "you have to be in a club to understand this music" etc so many times!

paulie · Post by **paulie** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 12:07 pm

ramadanman wrote:The question is whether dubstep is trying to deliver outside the context of clubs or not?

Heard the whole "you have to be in a club to understand this music" etc so many times!

When someone releases an album they are clearly trying to deliver outside the context of clubs.

thinking · Post by **thinking** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 12:11 pm

ramadanman wrote:The question is whether dubstep is trying to deliver outside the context of clubs or not?

exactly what I was thinking. To date, the emphasis (with the possible exception of the Vex'd & Burial LPs) has always been on tunes for the club, and rightly so. Like Paul said, it's a rave based, single sales, DJ-led genre.

Oh, and has Kode9 really distanced himself from grime?

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