Propellerheads RECORD: don't call it a DAW, motherf*cker!

[nowaysj]

Anything is a legitimate music making tool, homies. Even this brick wall

[cloak and dagger]

Anything is a legitimate music making tool, homies. Even this brick wall

Now you're getting it

[nowaysj]

I've been getting it

[paravrais]

I havnt been able to find any DAW I like better than record or any vsts I like better than thor+subtractor so I think I'm fine sticking with this! In my opinion fruityloops and ableton both look more "fisherprice" than record does and they are horrible to use. Cubase is just an epic fail in every way, had to use it for music tech at college and I can't think of a single salvation for it. Never had the oportunity to try logic out but I really can't see how I'd be at any advantage changing to it when I havn't encountered any problems with record whatsoever.

The only downside to using record/reason that I can see is that it's a lot more hassle if you wanna be adding acapellas to your tracks...don't understand the massive amounts of hate that it gets, oh well, if it makes you boys feel big hating on shit then by all means knock yourselves out.

[nowaysj]

Why everyone say hate? Where's the hate? I, personally like reason. It just can't do everything I need it to do, like meter levels jokes!

Cubase has sample accurate editing in the project page going for it. That's about it in my opinion. Everything else is pretty retarded, like actually retarded, like 12 years old.

One thing I hate, I mean actual vitriolic hate, is fruity's fucking life time free upgrades... cause they can't collect upgrade fees, they can't fix some of the fundamental problems with their software. And on top of that totally flawed foundation, they have built the most efficient, powerful, and overall speedy user interface of any daw I've used. I honestly hate that shit.

And as far as how professional things look

[deadly_habit]

if it works it works i could never get into reason besides the synths
sequencing was awkward for me as well as automation, why i use cubase and renoise
betad record and it's close to like a multi audacity so no issues
glad reason heads have audio finally
even in the box there is loads of established roducers using only reason
all a matter of pref

[nowaysj]

u try reason 4? Automation clips are the way to go for automation?

[deadly_habit]

u try reason 4? Automation clips are the way to go for automation?

heh ive had pms you learn cubase automation yet?
best avail in business
you pissed off alot of people in cubase threads

[nowaysj]

Ha ha ha! Automation so good you can't move it, or draw curves with it for that matter. Jokes. Other dev's have figured out and implemented more control, easier to use techniques for automation.

[deadly_habit]

Ha ha ha! Automation so good you can't move it, or draw curves with it for that matter. Jokes. Other dev's have figured out and implemented more control, easier to use techniques for automation.

cubase noob and only time i will give ya flack bout it
cubase kills fl automation if ya know how to use it
i hope you get power book soon

[nowaysj]

am total cubase newb will get power tools in dec when published.

Still, I don't think that book is going to show me how to draw curves other than either using their predefined little fades, or a whole bunch of little points. And working with a vsti with 16 outs, and trying to move all that automation, f'ing nightmare. The answer to that is not in the powertools, but in germany.

I really prefer to have my automation remain discreet. In fl, the automation clip is separate from the audio or midi clip, so you can move the automation around and size just as easily as you can with events in cubase, you can use one automation clip to control 20 different things in fl. It's just way easier, more flexible, and more powerful.

If you're willing to share how to move automation for 16 tracks of a multi out vst, or how to control 20 different things with one bit of automation, I'm ALL EARS!

[Depone]

nowaysj, If you dont know what your slating, then dont say anything. Cubase, as with Logic has exceptional curves and outstanding cross-fade functions ala Protools.

[DZA]

none of propellerheads software are DAWs, there all fucking shitttttttt

[deadly_habit]

am total cubase newb will get power tools in dec when published.

Still, I don't think that book is going to show me how to draw curves other than either using their predefined little fades, or a whole bunch of little points. And working with a vsti with 16 outs, and trying to move all that automation, f'ing nightmare. The answer to that is not in the powertools, but in germany.

I really prefer to have my automation remain discreet. In fl, the automation clip is separate from the audio or midi clip, so you can move the automation around and size just as easily as you can with events in cubase, you can use one automation clip to control 20 different things in fl. It's just way easier, more flexible, and more powerful.

If you're willing to share how to move automation for 16 tracks of a multi out vst, or how to control 20 different things with one bit of automation, I'm ALL EARS!

yea last time i used fl the automation was a nightmare
get a wacom tablet like a bamboo if you want to have that much control
hell i'm getting sent a nfr copy of fl9 soon which i'll mess with but seriously sounds like you haven't invested enough time into cubase to even scratch the surface on automation lanes

[youthful_implants]

what you're basically implying is that reason/record is not a legitimate music making tool when compared to cubase or logic. that is rather short sighted.

come to think of it i don't think my mpc or machinedrum support plugins either...

no no I think its a devastatingly powerful piece of software and lots of incredible, jaw droppingly amazing music has been made with it.

I just find it too fiddly, and disruptive to my workflow but having said that I am lazy and always looking for quicker results so I rewire it into Cubase often, same with Ableton.

[deadly_habit]

i love when my ghetto custies ask if yo is that vst plugin compatible with my mpc?
or my fave yo you got that reason son?
then i don't feel so bad when they bust out their wad of cash from dealing drugs ugh
you have a wad of 50s 100s or 20s and want a discount? really?

[cloak and dagger]

but seriously sounds like you haven't invested enough time into cubase to even scratch the surface on automation lanes

He's right though, read the various Cubase threads. Moving and handling automation for a whole track is definitely the worst I've ever used on a professional DAW. I feel like a program that's been improved over the course of a decade shouldn't be getting trumped by programs like Reason or Reaper for basic functions.

Also, they fucked the Mediabay in version 4.5 and over so that it's basically useless, and removed some drag and drop functionality from 4 to 5.

Ok, rant over. I guess my point is that as much as Reason has missing stuff, there are a lot less "this is retarded" moments in relation to the software.

I love Cubase, I just find it much more of a chore to work with structure and arrange things for this very reason.

I never really got why people argue about DAWs so much though, it's like people don't realize that the best electronic music ever made was done on MUCH shittier stuff than ANY of the options we have available to us now.

[ninjadog]

Anything is a legitimate music making tool, homies. Even this brick wall

I dont hear anything

[nowaysj]

I dont hear anything

Use a frequency analyzer. U don't need to hear it to mix it.

[nowaysj]

I never really got why people argue about DAWs so much though

I'd call it a discussion, minus the few personal digs I like talking about daws because I like broadening my understanding. And really it's just some guys, sweaty and tired, shooting the shit on a basketball court after the game, having a discussion about whether Kobe can be mentioned in the same conversation with Jordan. Just shootin the shit.


And dep, you can't draw curves in cubase.