ManBearPig exposed...

[karmacazee]

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/james ... l-warming/


Haven't read it all yet, just about halfway through, but I was so that I had to post it here too.

Oh, and 1000

[jsaxton]

half man half bear half pig?

[Ham]

Its quite clearly half bear half man pig, super cereal!

[magma]

George Monbiot's response...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... scientists

[Neurotik]

Its quite clearly half bear half man pig, super cereal!

Seems to me as if it's half man half bear-pig

[gwa]

George Monbiot's response...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... scientists

how do you feel about it all?

I am SHOCKED at the lack of responses

[karmacazee]

George Monbiot's response...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... scientists

Good response. Doesn't negate the fact that there ARE people out there fiddling the numbers though.

Hmmm, more research is needed...

[magma]

George Monbiot's response...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... scientists

Good response. Doesn't negate the fact that there ARE people out there fiddling the numbers though.

Hmmm, more research is needed...

Yeah, it's definitely a scandal - I think the response just needs a bit of tempering. A lot of people are looking to use it as a quick excuse to not feel guilty about climate change afterall.

The nice thing about Climate Change is that we need to do most of the things that will hopefully help it anyway... we need to get off fossil fuels because they'll run out and if we can live in less smoky cities, it seems like a positive idea with or without global warming.

[Coppola]

George Monbiot's response...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... scientists

Good response. Doesn't negate the fact that there ARE people out there fiddling the numbers though.

Hmmm, more research is needed...

Yeah, it's definitely a scandal - I think the response just needs a bit of tempering. A lot of people are looking to use it as a quick excuse to not feel guilty about climate change afterall.

The nice thing about Climate Change is that we need to do most of the things that will hopefully help it anyway... we need to get off fossil fuels because they'll run out and if we can live in less smoky cities, it seems like a positive idea with or without global warming.

This is exactly what I was saying in the Alien thread.

[badger]

i've been telling people this for ages but have usually got the stock responses of people brainwashed by the media. that guy is right that this isn't definitive proof that anthropogenic global warming is a lie and clearly man-made emissions will have some impact on the environmenent anyway, but it's good that there is at least definitive proof of this cover-up by some members of the scientific community

[gwa]

Badger tell me sone deep shit, ino UNO deep shit :-p

I've never heard you say that about global warming, I've been saying it for a couple of years myself

[karmacazee]

It's all very confusing.

I'm very dubious of all the sides of the climate change camp.

I can see why it would be beneficial to the powers that be to impose another tax on us, and also to make themselves look good by 'tackling the issues that matter' and being the heroes, "imagine the voter support we'd get if they thought we'd saved the world!" sort of thing.

However, I don't trust some of the climate change deniers, simply because a lot of them are funded by oil companies, and other spurious interests.

But when you see something like those emails coming out it puts doubts straight back into your mind.

Each side is colluding against each other in rather undignified ways, resulting in a lot of disinformation and confusion. I mean, news-papers are already terrible at reporting any kind of science, so it's just one big minefield of bullshit.

I think it's ultimately a lot people talking a lot of nonsense on all sides, simply for a bit of personal/political gain or for vested interests, and the voices of those talking sense are drowned out.


Personally, I feel a move towards renewable energy and less pollutants is a good one, and that climate change is an inevitability, man-made or not...

[magma]

Each side is colluding against each other in rather undignified ways, resulting in a lot of disinformation and confusion. I mean, news-papers are already terrible at reporting any kind of science, so it's just one big minefield of bullshit.

I think it's ultimately a lot people talking a lot of nonsense on all sides, simply for a bit of personal/political gain or for vested interests, and the voices of those talking sense are drowned out.


Personally, I feel a move towards renewable energy and less pollutants is a good one, and that climate change is an inevitability, man-made or not...

All of this.

[badger]

that's the way with any politicised movement. people like al gore should just fuck off and leave this to scientists to prove/disprove. as soon as political interests start getting embroiled in science you can never be sure which side is genuine (if any) and the actual scientific arguments become secondary to vested interests and public hysteria

just look at how much progress was held back in the last thousand years by stupid little men in religious robes desperately trying to hold on to whatever authority they still had left, and you can see where we're heading if we don't do something to break up this marriage of science and politics

Personally, I feel a move towards renewable energy and less pollutants is a good one, and that climate change is an inevitability, man-made or not...

completely agree. only a complete idiot would say that the climate isn't changing, because it quite clearly is (whatever the causes turn out to be); and as for renewable energry, again, only an idiot would argue against that as well. whether or not fossil fuels are responsible for climate change, the one thing that is absolutely definite is that they will run out at some point, so we should be looking at alternatives before we end up in a massive energy crisis

Badger tell me sone deep shit, ino UNO deep shit :-p

i don't know nuffink

[kay]

Zealots are always a bad thing.

[hackman]

question time last night........



handpiced audience, utter disbelief

[wormcode]

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/james ... l-warming/


Haven't read it all yet, just about halfway through, but I was so that I had to post it here too.

Oh, and 1000

Is that article for reals super cereal?