Hidden Messages In Mass Market Music & Popular Culture

[karmacazee]

You forgot about the owl!

Is that little spot supposed to be an owl?

yes... er... well, it looks a bit like an owl...

[faust.dtc]

No offence Piston but that Umbrella article was the biggest load of bollocks ive ever read.

As for the bank note im with miscreant.

Im getting out of here before Parson arrives.

[hurlingdervish]

i just came across this before this thread

http://onacrazychain.wordpress.com/

[Pistonsbeneath]

Yeah, glad you said something bandshell, i'm thinking pistons just taking the piss, personally...

haha it would be so easy to say i was but i'm not i'm afraid guys...

sure there is always gonna be some bullshit but i still believe overall that the industry is all about this...

rihanna's lyrics are definitely not about a straight up relationship imho...this means it's either meaningless or with an agenda...i think the latter

[magma]

So, if she is in on a conspiracy what does the song achieve for her? Is she just advertising the fact that she's involved or is there something more proactive in your mind? Who is the intended target of all these hidden messages and why would Rihanna want to talk to them in such a way when she could just send a letter?

[Pistonsbeneath]

So, if she is in on a conspiracy what does the song achieve for her? Is she just advertising the fact that she's involved or is there something more proactive in your mind? Who is the intended target of all these hidden messages and why would Rihanna want to talk to them in such a way when she could just send a letter?

i think it could be one of a few things

secret society equivalent of a nod and wink

blatant satanism

declaration of having with wealth along with jay z escaped the impending doom of the coming apocalypse/world restart

perhaps unlike other people of major influence in the world able to speak modestly ala coldplay not going on about bling many r&b artists simply have to mention the hottest currency of exclusivity...being in a secret society albeit doing it with subtlety

she's merely a puppet for other forces...

[magma]

Interesting. I've always figured that getting paid enormous amounts of money was reason enough to be a popstar, but if they're satanists then cool. I don't believe in satan, so I doubt they're doing much harm.

Jay-Z seems to talk about the struggle toward deliverance from evil as much as he does embracing it (his bling raps often seem to have an edge of catholic guilt) - would you say all that was intentionally trying to throw "inquizitive" people like you off the scent? If they're trying to be loud and proud about being satanists (or advertising being part of another conspiracy), why would they throw so much contrary material out there?

Rihanna does make me think ungodly thoughts, mind. I like thinking ungodly thoughts about Rihanna.

I really think you give fairly ephemeral pop artists far too much credit...

[Pistonsbeneath]

Hey man i know it's ridiculous but I can't get my head around her lyrics...there are so many things that appear to be being revealed to me right now....when you have a number of things as opposed to one seemingly crackpot theory then you cannot just dismiss it...

something huge is coming....of that i have no doubt...not entirely sure what though...all these eruptions are occuring like signs everywhere.....yes it's probably nuts although i feel totally in control and remain in general a skeptic but I cannot ignore how much stuff is set to occur according to prophecy and symbols in current affairs...the problem with what i'm saying i suppose in your eyes is how inconsistent it appears to be and not necessarily correlating towards one peak but i have no idea what this peak may be but i'm pretty damn sure something will occur of an epic nature....maybe she isn't a satanist...maybe i know nothing and so cannot fathom whatever message is in there to whomever...i've been saying for some time that i feel we are in a very strange place in our current society

It's actually impossible to put into words man

[bright maroon]

pistonsbeneath - Try not to get too wrapped up in it and remember this..

Almost every serious photographer/filmmaker in the world has seen and appreciates the work of Kenneth Anger and as a result has delved into the "Hollywood Babylon"/ BlackArts thing at some point in their you know - career or studies..

It is just a part of our culture..the concept of Idol Worship and Movie Magic

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I was a child in the 70's and trust me when I say satanism was WAY more mainstream back then -
They used to have afterschool specials about covens of black witches..
who were doing blood sacrifice in their living rooms...
You know - Beaver Cleavers living room - and I mean full on blood chalice - rams and pentagrams
and they were always trying to seduce the young girl heroine from next door
of course she didn't know that she was a witch etc...
but at some point her mother would reveal the family secret or whatever..


I never see any of those films getting repeat play now..they were dark as all get out!!

[parson]

i just watched horton hears a who again.

that movie is about apocalypse. but its like the hitchiker's guide to the galaxy apocalypse. DON'T PANIC!

it doesn't matter if y'all can see the symbols. if you can't see them its because you're not meant to.

[mr. lizard]

lol, what a big pile of steaming shit

[magma]

Hey man i know it's ridiculous but I can't get my head around her lyrics...there are so many things that appear to be being revealed to me right now....when you have a number of things as opposed to one seemingly crackpot theory then you cannot just dismiss it...

something huge is coming....of that i have no doubt...not entirely sure what though...all these eruptions are occuring like signs everywhere.....yes it's probably nuts although i feel totally in control and remain in general a skeptic but I cannot ignore how much stuff is set to occur according to prophecy and symbols in current affairs...the problem with what i'm saying i suppose in your eyes is how inconsistent it appears to be and not necessarily correlating towards one peak but i have no idea what this peak may be but i'm pretty damn sure something will occur of an epic nature....maybe she isn't a satanist...maybe i know nothing and so cannot fathom whatever message is in there to whomever...i've been saying for some time that i feel we are in a very strange place in our current society

It's actually impossible to put into words man

I understand that, I think - you always seem to have a pretty decent reason for your views, but I just can't get my head around this one - that's not to say I'd call it out as straight bullshit, but it's not quite convinced me yet.

When you allude to something massive happening, does that have a timescale? Are we still looking to 2012? If nothing happens by 2013 do the timescales just shift or do we start looking back to Occams Razor and re-evaluating all this stuff? Will it be obvious when this change occurs or will it still be a matter of opinion?

My main problem with this is that I find it hard to see pop artists like Rihanna as much else than capitalist entrepreneurs. She has a relatively lucky blend of skills and creates a product that sells insanely well with teenagers, she works with other professional musicians and companies formed in order to make profit from music.

On the lyrics tip, when I was a teenager, girls into that kind of stuff used to paste lyrics out of Smash Hits onto their wall and learn everything off by heart - I see complicated, "mysterious" lyrics to be just an extra selling point. She's got that everso slightly gothed up/pepsi punk image - kids want to listen to something their parents don't fully understand.

If you're a crank, you're one of the good cranks, Piston. Always enjoy our conversations though we're often on different sides of the room!

[Pistonsbeneath]

Hey man i know it's ridiculous but I can't get my head around her lyrics...there are so many things that appear to be being revealed to me right now....when you have a number of things as opposed to one seemingly crackpot theory then you cannot just dismiss it...

something huge is coming....of that i have no doubt...not entirely sure what though...all these eruptions are occuring like signs everywhere.....yes it's probably nuts although i feel totally in control and remain in general a skeptic but I cannot ignore how much stuff is set to occur according to prophecy and symbols in current affairs...the problem with what i'm saying i suppose in your eyes is how inconsistent it appears to be and not necessarily correlating towards one peak but i have no idea what this peak may be but i'm pretty damn sure something will occur of an epic nature....maybe she isn't a satanist...maybe i know nothing and so cannot fathom whatever message is in there to whomever...i've been saying for some time that i feel we are in a very strange place in our current society

It's actually impossible to put into words man

I understand that, I think - you always seem to have a pretty decent reason for your views, but I just can't get my head around this one - that's not to say I'd call it out as straight bullshit, but it's not quite convinced me yet.

When you allude to something massive happening, does that have a timescale? Are we still looking to 2012? If nothing happens by 2013 do the timescales just shift or do we start looking back to Occams Razor and re-evaluating all this stuff? Will it be obvious when this change occurs or will it still be a matter of opinion?

My main problem with this is that I find it hard to see pop artists like Rihanna as much else than capitalist entrepreneurs. She has a relatively lucky blend of skills and creates a product that sells insanely well with teenagers, she works with other professional musicians and companies formed in order to make profit from music.

On the lyrics tip, when I was a teenager, girls into that kind of stuff used to paste lyrics out of Smash Hits onto their wall and learn everything off by heart - I see complicated, "mysterious" lyrics to be just an extra selling point. She's got that everso slightly gothed up/pepsi punk image - kids want to listen to something their parents don't fully understand.

If you're a crank, you're one of the good cranks, Piston. Always enjoy our conversations though we're often on different sides of the room!

i would say that it's a 2012 thing yeah...that's obvious to me....a 26,000 year cycle comes to an end to begin anew...if nothing has happened by december 21st 2012 that is unequivacally true to all then i will feel stupid i guess...

I now find it hard to believe that anyone on the upper echelons of our society isn't more than just out for money....power is the biggest drug of all and knowledge is power...

yeah you're cool to talk to as well mate

I'm always thinking....constantly so nothing get's missed

[mr. lizard]

Didn't the world end on the turn of the millenium?

[Pistonsbeneath]

Didn't the world end on the turn of the millenium?

*sighs*

there isn't any prophecy or scripture that ever said that was going to happen....it was more about the world being run by computers and everything exploding due to not being able to handle the number change....rather silly really

the 2012 thing is based on mayan prophecy and every major religions as well not to mention nasa findings about sunspots increasing in activity around earth that year also....a bit more serious methinks

believe what you want though...it's of no consequence to me

[CollisionCourse]

i think pistons trolling us all
why would the illuminati or the NWO put subliminal symbols and logos on the dollar bill?
i mean, if i was part of a super secret organisation the last thing id be doing is advertising ourselves on the most used currency on the planet...

[Pistonsbeneath]

oh dear

try reading my posts and just try and get to where i'm at....i'm not sayin i know whats going on just for the record.....if you can provide any insight into why there is an all seeing eye on a dollar bill then please go ahead and it does make you better than me...if you don't know why then we are in the same boat

[collige]

oh dear

try reading my posts and just try and get to where i'm at....i'm not sayin i know whats going on just for the record.....if you can provide any insight into why there is an all seeing eye on a dollar bill then please go ahead and it does make you better than me...if you don't know why then we are in the same boat

-The all-seeing eye on the dollar bill is part of the US Great Seal
-the Great Seal has been around since 1782
-freemasons really did run the country in 1782

[Pistonsbeneath]

oh dear

try reading my posts and just try and get to where i'm at....i'm not sayin i know whats going on just for the record.....if you can provide any insight into why there is an all seeing eye on a dollar bill then please go ahead and it does make you better than me...if you don't know why then we are in the same boat

-The all-seeing eye on the dollar bill is part of the US Great Seal
-the Great Seal has been around since 1782
-freemasons really did run the country in 1782

see this is a useful post...

and it also backs up the fact that the masons put it on the dollar bill...

masons do still exist do they not regardless of whether you believe they run the country...but then what purpose would they serve still existing?

[magma]

oh dear

try reading my posts and just try and get to where i'm at....i'm not sayin i know whats going on just for the record.....if you can provide any insight into why there is an all seeing eye on a dollar bill then please go ahead and it does make you better than me...if you don't know why then we are in the same boat

-The all-seeing eye on the dollar bill is part of the US Great Seal
-the Great Seal has been around since 1782
-freemasons really did run the country in 1782

see this is a useful post...

and it also backs up the fact that the masons put it on the dollar bill...

masons do still exist do they not regardless of whether you believe they run the country...but then what purpose would they serve still existing?

Socialising? My Dad's a member of Rotary which he joined when he retired - essentially they meet up once a week, have a big meal and a few pints, argue about rugby and arrange to do a few things for charity.... I've always figured the Freemasons, Mooseheart and even things like the Bildeberg are (nowadays at least) similar ideas but on a much grander scale - people are naturally drawn to socialising with people of similar status and means - you're not going to go on holiday with the blokes down the local boozer if you've got the sort of cash that those guys have... so you go on holiday with your peers, who can hold their own with your lifestyle.

I expect David Beckham hangs around with rich people most of the time too - is he a conspirator?