dmz report

[josephine]

Heavy heavy night, enjoyed everyone that played. Deapoh did me proud as usual. Chef nailed it. Pinch...very impressed, gets deeper and darker everytime i see him. Skream seemed a little drunk....still bad though. Loved the vibe during Digital and I managed to stay until the end. Largin up everyone who played and everyone who came and shaked a leg with me.

I need to stop changing my username on this thing....pssh i get bored.

[paul updat]

I dont really get what you mean by bass weight 'ethos'? The term bass weight itself lends itself to many more types of tune than just Coki style rinse outs. I hear just as much bass weight in one of Shackletons tunes or Distance- delight for example. I think you're wrong, having bass as an underlying staple for this music is not a bad thing, after all its what makes it what it is, the problem comes when producers start mindlessly apeing the most hype and popular tunes around.

You miss my point, although we more or less agree. I never said that having bass as an underlying staple is a bad thing. That is after all what the genre builds itself upon. I was drawing a paralell between psy and dubstep minimalism because of one influential trendsetter. Let me break it down a bit:

Trendsetter: X-Dream (psy)/Coki (dubstep)
Ethos: Trance state (psy)/Bass weight (dubstep)
Worst case scenario: producers considering the prime trance state as X-Dream - Psychomachine(psy)/producers seeing prime bass weight as Coki - Shattered (dubstep)

The danger in both scenarios is that the genre is driven into a dead end creatively, as too many producers attempt to mimic the trendsetters. This is after a long period where both genres blossomed creatively and saw numerous groundbreaking releases and different takes on each respective ethos. It happened to psy. I hope history won't repeat itself with dubstep.

www.longting.com

[benjybars]

I dont really get what you mean by bass weight 'ethos'? The term bass weight itself lends itself to many more types of tune than just Coki style rinse outs. I hear just as much bass weight in one of Shackletons tunes or Distance- delight for example. I think you're wrong, having bass as an underlying staple for this music is not a bad thing, after all its what makes it what it is, the problem comes when producers start mindlessly apeing the most hype and popular tunes around.

You miss my point, although we more or less agree. I never said that having bass as an underlying staple is a bad thing. That is after all what the genre builds itself upon. I was drawing a paralell between psy and dubstep minimalism because of one influential trendsetter. Let me break it down a bit:

Trendsetter: X-Dream (psy)/Coki (dubstep)
Ethos: Trance state (psy)/Bass weight (dubstep)
Worst case scenario: producers considering the prime trance state as X-Dream - Psychomachine(psy)/producers seeing prime bass weight as Coki - Shattered (dubstep)

The danger in both scenarios is that the genre is driven into a dead end creatively, as too many producers attempt to mimic the trendsetters. This is after a long period where both genres blossomed creatively and saw numerous groundbreaking releases and different takes on each respective ethos. It happened to psy. I hope history won't repeat itself with dubstep.

oh my days i hate psy trance soooo much!!

[sand leaper]

www.longting.com

Good day response: No need to get rude. I was just clarifying my point to Jubscarz so that there are no misunderstandings.

Bad day response: I'm sorry that your attention span is too short to read 2 paragraphs of constructive criticism.

Today's a bad day.

[thinking]

www.longting.com

Good day response: No need to get rude. I was just clarifying my point to Jubscarz so that there are no misunderstandings.

Bad day response: I'm sorry that your attention span is too short to read 2 paragraphs of constructive criticism.

Today's a bad day.

i think peeps are just saying that to a certain extent you're stating the obvious, and also something which is in no way exclusive to dubstep, or trance for that matter.

What you're generally talking about is an influx of producers into a scene who, instead of being influenced by other types of music and other points of reference, are influenced by the music/scene itself and the 'first generation' of producers.

The same has happened over the years in DnB, nuskool breaks, loads of music. People imitate originators because they look up to them.

look at the amount of low quality halfstep that has been produced in the last 12 months since the Dubstep Warz show went out and dubstep exploded as a global scene. Up until then, dubstep was still a relatively fluid idea and even the heads who'd been into the scene for a long time struggled to pin down what dubstep actually was (or at least agree on it).

As soon as the show was ripped and shared around the world, a lot of new converts heard this show and thought it was the be-all and end-all of the music as opposed to a snapshot of dubstep as it was right then. Halfstep was the flavour at the time so that's what has been the majority of tunes in the last 12 months. I'd say the garage/2-step creeping back into people's tunes & sets is a desire to somewhat hark back to dubstep's roots.

I hope history won't repeat itself with dubstep.

afraid I think it's inevitable, if it isn't already happening.

[boomnoise]

www.longting.com

Good day response: No need to get rude. I was just clarifying my point to Jubscarz so that there are no misunderstandings.

Bad day response: I'm sorry that your attention span is too short to read 2 paragraphs of constructive criticism.

Today's a bad day.

look at the amount of low quality halfstep that has been produced in the last 12 months since the Dubstep Warz show went out and dubstep exploded as a global scene. Up until then, dubstep was still a relatively fluid idea and even the heads who'd been into the scene for a long time struggled to pin down what dubstep actually was (or at least agree on it).

As soon as the show was ripped and shared around the world, a lot of new converts heard this show and thought it was the be-all and end-all of the music as opposed to a snapshot of dubstep as it was right then. Halfstep was the flavour at the time so that's what has been the majority of tunes in the last 12 months. I'd say the garage/2-step creeping back into people's tunes & sets is a desire to somewhat hark back to dubstep's roots.

I hope history won't repeat itself with dubstep.

afraid I think it's inevitable, if it isn't already happening.

OTM

[sand leaper]

i think peeps are just saying that to a certain extent you're stating the obvious, and also something which is in no way exclusive to dubstep, or trance for that matter.

What you're generally talking about is an influx of producers into a scene who, instead of being influenced by other types of music and other points of reference, are influenced by the music/scene itself and the 'first generation' of producers.

It is indeed obvious that people imitate innovators, but that wasn't my point. My point was that it happens in a very similar manner and form as another genre, which isn't as obvious.

But anyway, this thread is getting severely derailed. If you want to discuss this further, another thread or a PM would be in order me thinks.

[*decibella~~]

can this quibbling over somethin or nothin be moved somewhere else pls

DMZ WAS BIG, RAM PACKED, MASSIVE GOOD VIBES, GREAT MUSIC

"I hope history won't repeat itself with dubstep"


"afraid I think it's inevitable, if it isn't already happening"


this rubbish aint needed in this topic...

[ramadanman]

otm = on the money?

[*decibella~~]

i thought Off The Mark?!

[boomnoise]

on the mark or, on the money.

@decibella - i hear what you're saying but for the moment i think a couple of valid points have been made. it's not a big debate just some interesting perspectives, none of which take anything away from the night.

it's all bless.

[*decibella~~]

all kool boom mate, i jus read ^^^ someones said that the topic was gettin a bit 'derailed', a MUCH better way of puttin it than my harsh
'stop this rubbish in this tread' lol

you know what i ment tho jus maybe a new topic was in order....

peace n lovelyness!

x x x

[paul updat]

www.longting.com

Good day response: No need to get rude. I was just clarifying my point to Jubscarz so that there are no misunderstandings.

Bad day response: I'm sorry that your attention span is too short to read 2 paragraphs of constructive criticism.

Today's a bad day.

Nah mate, I read your piece, and I'm saying that what you wrote is long. If you seriously think dubstep is in danger of being driven into dead end creativity you need to check yourself...and then spend a week of your life listening to the increasing amount of different styles and perspectives that an increasing number of producers are bringing to the table.

Pheww, I can't believe my attention span managed to hold out long enough for me to write as much as I have. Get in. Progression. Get me.

www.nufinglong.com

[boomnoise]

all kool boom mate, i jus read ^^^ someones said that the topic was gettin a bit 'derailed', a MUCH better way of puttin it than my harsh
'stop this rubbish in this tread' lol

you know what i ment tho jus maybe a new topic was in order....

peace n lovelyness!

x x x

i'd be more scared of a new topic! lol

[sand leaper]

Nah mate, I read your piece, and I'm saying that what you wrote is long. If you seriously think dubstep is in danger of being driven into dead end creativity you need to check yourself...and then spend a week of your life listening to the increasing amount of different styles and perspectives that an increasing number of producers are bringing to the table.

It's funny then how several people have agreed with me on my sentiments. In fact, they've done it in this very thread. I'd say you need to be a bit more open to constructive criticism from other people.

Pheww, I can't believe my attention span managed to hold out long enough for me to write as much as I have. Get in. Progression. Get me.

www.nufinglong.com

Seeing as your post consists of nothing but personal attacks and baseless claims, I'd say my reply about your attention span is quite accurate.

Well in.

[boomnoise]

Ok, let's try and keep this under control and keep it interesting, not personal please. And if anyone feels strongly enough to continue this derailment, please do so elsewhere.

[paul updat]

It's funny then how several people have agreed with me on my sentiments. In fact, they've done it in this very thread. I'd say you need to be a bit more open to constructive criticism from other people.

Fuck, I do apologise, it must be true then.

I'd say that you need to give dubstep a bit more time before you can consider it becoming less creative and formulaic.

I'd be very interested to know which producers you think are imitating others. Personally I can't think of any of the more well-known producers that have particularly similar styles. However, I've listened to some of the tracks produced by people on the forum that have all sounded quite similar, and I wouldn't expect a fraction of them to be released.

Seeing as your post consists of nothing but personal attacks and baseless claims, I'd say my reply about your attention span is quite accurate.

Well in.

Disagreeing with your post is a personal attack?

Baseless claims...I haven't made a claim. I've given you my view.

check yourself...and then spend a week of your life listening to the increasing amount of different styles and perspectives that an increasing number of producers are bringing to the table.

This is not an attack.....it is a recommendation.


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[jonrust]

anyways... everyone's stopped reading this.

back to topic.....

LOVELY to hear Mala drop Changes on Sat. good to hear a classic like neverland played too.

And Loefah's remix of Jah War still makes my drop hit the floor... that droning bass is just SICK- that there is an guaranteed reload imo.

[sand leaper]

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http://www.logicalfallacies.info/personalattack.html

When you're done swinging your handbag against me and would like to address my points constructively, feel free to send me a PM so that this thread won't get derailed even further.

[poax]