mixing sets in ableton (warp feature question)

[nospin]

using ableton live 6, what do you think is the best warp settings to keep the bass and subs as clear as possible. "complex" with the "high Q" on is working ok for me. is "repitch" better though?

[lucky_strike]

repitch aint better, it pitches as opposed to timestretching.

to b fair it will fuk up the quality if u warp, ive done it but the best way is to use it as little as poss if u can, most dubstep bits r at 140bmp so u dnt need to use it much, but hip hop, dancehall etc r a bit of a nightmare.

[t-mus]

for al the 130-150 i just use Beat in 1/16 or 1/32 mode, no troubles with that (when playing between 135-140)

for other speeds Complex is oke, but fucks a bit of quality, a little Send to an EQ3 boosting below 80hz (twice) and a Compressor, test your system

[autonomic]

RE-PITCH! Every time. It's practically the same as pitching on turntables as long it's just a few BPM and you're using a Wav. or an Aiff (high quality mp3s can be fine but have less tolerance for being stretched). Beat, Complex, etc. create messy artifacts and are more trouble than they're worth most of the time (unless you're key matching) if you're mixing whole tracks.

[t-mus]

erm...

mp3 is automatically converted to wav or aiff (depending on your settings) to a decoding cache in your Ableton folder, so that doesn't make any different

and the Beat setting doesn't do anything with the sound, but depending on the timesignaturesetting (standard 1/16) it repeates the triggering of the audio from the markers that signature
a 140 bpm track played at 120 will have a Beatrepeat like effect every < 1 bar (don't know exactly), but if you raise the timesign setting to f.e. 1/32 that effect disappears or gets smaller and appears less time in a bar.

i hope this makes sense and all

[djshiva]

i have found repitch to be the best option. beat mode works sometimes, but if you have a bassline that is steady (as opposed to just hits), you tend to get little warbly artifacts that sound like poo (take luke envoy's "honour kill" and warp it in beat mode and you will hear exactly what i mean).

i used complex mode for a few tunes because of the artifacts i was getting in beat mode and managed to stress my cpu so badly that i had major dropouts and cpu spikes during a live set. it was a total disaster. complex is a cpu hog. avoid if at all possible.

repitch is just like a turntable, so it usually works best, unless you have a tune that is dramatically slower or faster than your other tunes, or has vocals. the vocals will be repitched as well, and could end up sounding like satan or the chipmunks, which may be slightly amusing, but prolly not what you want to hear.

so basically, repitch if the tune's speed is pretty close to the bpm you play at normally. beat mode if it's not, and complex only if you are running a beast of a supercomputer that can deal with major stress during a live set.

[autonomic]

mp3 is automatically converted to wav or aiff (depending on your settings) to a decoding cache in your Ableton folder, so that doesn't make any different

it doesn't matter what it's converted to, it still doesn't have enough sound data to hold up to much stretching. and if you're saving the mix out to mp3 you'll have transcoded (recompressed) the original so it sounds even worse. mp3s can also cause timing issues because the compression causes wow and flutter in the tempo. it means more fiddling with warp markers.

and the Beat setting doesn't do anything with the sound

it cuts the sample into pieces like recycle so, as sapphic beats says, any constant tones get broken up. that setting is there to stretch the quiet spaces between drum hits while affecting the hits themselves as little as possible.

[t-mus]

allright, haven't thought about that, tnx

but i wonder how much the 320mp3converting issue is that much notacable on a regular system, to actually hear the difference you'll need trained ears and a high-end system all the way i guess..

[lucky_strike]

check me new studio mix in the dubstep room, done on ableton

[djshiva]

allright, haven't thought about that, tnx

but i wonder how much the 320mp3converting issue is that much notacable on a regular system, to actually hear the difference you'll need trained ears and a high-end system all the way i guess..

i save myself the trouble of letting ableton do the converting by converting all my 320s to wav myself. helps with storage too. instead of having the mp3s in one folder AND the wavs off in their little cache folder...i only have ONE file for each tune.

thus far, my converted 320s sound pretty damn good on a big system.