liquid dubstep....THE FUTURE

*decibella~~ · Post by *decibella~~ » Mon Jan 15, 2007 4:33 am

Keith P wrote:SAYING FUCKING NO TO DUBSTEP SUB GENRES.

Just Dubstep is fine, I'm open enough to listen to different sounds w/o having to pigeon hole it.

hear hear!

two oh one · Post by **two oh one** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 4:50 am

I'm going to bring it back with Machine Step and MechStep...

I'LL AGREE NO NO NO to subgenres! THE BEAUTY OF THIS THING IS THAT IT'S SO MIXED UP and fresh.

So many flavours can be in one set. That is the future of Dubstep. It can sound very different and people are open minded enough to give it all a try. The more people experiment, the more interesting it's going to be.

:halfstep rave:

*decibella~~ · Post by *decibella~~ » Mon Jan 15, 2007 5:07 am

exactly what i love with dubstep is that its still ALL ONE MUSIC.
Like DnB, i loved it when it was ALL DnB, yeah Nicky Blackmarket and Hype would play more jump up, Ed Rush & Optical used to play more techy, Fabio/Bukem always played lighter smooth things, Andy C pure dancefloor, Loxy for the deeper darker stuff ...... each DJ had thier own take on the sound and used play what they liked....you could reach rave and all them guys would be on the same bill and you knew that each DJ would be playing their particular vibe........

Now if i want to see hype i gotta go true playaz 'jump up' rave where all night the Djs play all that one style and rinse the same tunes, if i wanna see Bukem i gotta go Progression sessions and its 'liquid' all night, Andy C i go to a ram night, Loxy i go to hardware for the 'tech step' its rubbish and fucks the scene up and fucks the vibe up.........

We dont need to label and sub genre just beacuse certain tunes have certain characteristics.....jus settin ourselves up for a fall and putting restrictions on the sounds.... ITS ALL DUBSTEP from Distance to D1, from
from Benga to Burial ....... dubstep comes in all shapes and sizes......
DONT DO IT....
Come on people havent we learnt anything?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!!?!?!?

drum syndicate · Post by **drum syndicate** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 5:27 am

*DeCiBella~~ wrote:exactly what i love with dubstep is that its still ALL ONE MUSIC.
Like DnB, i loved it when it was ALL DnB, yeah Nicky Blackmarket and Hype would play more jump up, Ed Rush & Optical used to play more techy, Fabio/Bukem always played lighter smooth things, Andy C pure dancefloor, Loxy for the deeper darker stuff ...... each DJ had thier own take on the sound and used play what they liked....you could reach rave and all them guys would be on the same bill and you knew that each DJ would be playing their particular vibe........

Now if i want to see hype i gotta go true playaz 'jump up' rave where all night the Djs play all that one style and rinse the same tunes, if i wanna see Bukem i gotta go Progression sessions and its 'liquid' all night, Andy C i go to a ram night, Loxy i go to hardware for the 'tech step' its rubbish and fucks the scene up and fucks the vibe up.........

We dont need to label and sub genre just beacuse certain tunes have certain characteristics.....jus settin ourselves up for a fall and putting restrictions on the sounds.... ITS ALL DUBSTEP from Distance to D1, from
from Benga to Burial ....... dubstep comes in all shapes and sizes......
DONT DO IT....
Come on people havent we learnt anything?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!!?!?!?

*decibella~~ · Post by *decibella~~ » Mon Jan 15, 2007 6:06 am

right.......i have been noticing for sometime that dubstep is branching out in the direction of liquid dub, when i say liquid dub i mean the mellow, mellodic side of things.

its not branching out at all! jeeeez what about the sounds that distance, headhunter, pinch etc play.....branching out into deep dubstep?!!!
NO jus different DJs play different styles, and to be honest most DJs play sets that contain alot of their own tunes.....thats jus their sound, that they like......D1 for example plays alot of his own stuff....if you like it GREAT! if you like making it GREAT. But you dont have to have your own bloody genre........

showguns · Post by **showguns** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 7:19 am

J_J wrote:
Blackdown wrote:please please people let's not use the words 'liquid' or 'intelligent', after what happened in d&b. it's all dubstep, right?

Or even better just GARAGE, in the same way that new south sound is still hip-hop but doesnt sound like rap in the 80's.GET ME !!

[b]racket · Post by **[b]racket** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:48 am

Keith P wrote:SAYING FUCKING NO TO DUBSTEP SUB GENRES.

Word.

Beginning of the end...

deamonds · Post by **deamonds** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 1:50 pm

DJ Heny.G wrote:100%!

numaestro · Post by **numaestro** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 1:54 pm

I'm a bit wary of over-clasifying things - but it's good that peeps want to make different sounds. Diversity is positive. So is keeping an open mind.

pk- · Post by **pk-** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 1:55 pm

i'd get bored at a night purely of mellow deep stuff

i'd get bored at a night purely of WOBWOBWOB LFO bangers

JA

as long as it all still gets played at the same night you can call it whatever you want

markle · Post by **markle** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 2:04 pm

I think we are all losing sight of something.

if it's a BADMAN TUNE!!!! I'm gonna buy it, right. I couldn't give a feck what it is catergorised as.

The problem of sub genres is when it starts fucking with the dance. DMZ over two rooms playing 'liquid' and the main room playing 'wobblers' or some such nonsense.

THIS SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN!!!!

blackdown · Post by **blackdown** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 2:07 pm

QUEST wrote:u people are reading too deeply into things its all dubstep i didn't say it was anything else liquid is just a word to describe that side of things its not something ive come up with off the top of my head people in the industry have used that word, and why can't i use the word intelligent, i can make a grime tune in 2 minutes and i ain't lying but dubstep is different more thought is put into into therefore it is more intelligent, people have to stop being scared of change, things will go where they are gonna go anyway so who can stop it? if its meant to be its meant to be

Hey Quest. I wanna answer your post directly because you started this thread.

Firstly I wanna say if you're up for making less dark dubstep, that's heavy because there is definitely an imballance towards the wobbly/agressive/dark stuff right now and I prefer the ballance. I think this is why I loved and supported your "Mirage" 12".

But this wasn't my point. I would love to see more mellow/melodic/lighter/weirder/dissonant etc dubstep to ballance out the straight dark stuff but I'm uncomfortable with the terms "intelligent" and "liquid".

The "Liquid" term comes from d&b, from the lighter style Fabio pioneered. The problem is it came to mean some of the blandest, most washed out, plastic housey flavours of d&b, just as far removed from the soul of London's urban jungle scene as the noizy, hyper 180bpm agressive stuff was. So yeah, people in the industry do use it, but the problem is it carries negative resonances.

The term "inteligent" is worse. It dates back to when jungle first got the national media's attention in the mid 90s. "intelligent jungle" was used to describe the lighter styles that people like LTJ Bukem played. The term was invented by (predominantly middle class, white) media because it appealed to their readers (predominantly middle class and white) and they were too embarrassed to tell their readers that they were feeling the same jungle scene they'd slagged off a few years earlier.

The problem is describing one side (predominantly middle class and white) as "intelligent" meant that you can infer that the other side (predominantly working class and mixed race) is seen as less so - which is wrong. So the term has buried in it the intent of both a class and a race slur.

Now, I'm in NO way saying you're using it in this way, but the problem is if everyone else goes around using it in this way, the resonance of that race and class slur remains in the term, for those of us who remember mid 90s jungle.

forensix (mcr) · Post by **forensix (mcr)** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 2:18 pm

Blackdown wrote:
Firstly I wanna say if you're up for making less dark dubstep, that's heavy because there is definitely an imballance towards the wobbly/agressive/dark stuff right now and I prefer the ballance. I think this is why I loved and supported your "Mirage" 12".

But this wasn't my point. I would love to see more mellow/melodic/lighter/weirder/dissonant etc dubstep to ballance out the straight dark stuff but I'm uncomfortable with the terms "intelligent" and "liquid".

reso · Post by **reso** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 2:23 pm

Markle wrote:I think we are all losing sight of something.

if it's a BADMAN TUNE!!!! I'm gonna buy it, right. I couldn't give a feck what it is catergorised as.

The problem of sub genres is when it starts fucking with the dance. DMZ over two rooms playing 'liquid' and the main room playing 'wobblers' or some such nonsense.

THIS SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN!!!!

ditto!

dj heny.g · Post by **dj heny.g** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 3:31 pm

I respect all people opnions on here and i love every1, coz there is alot ov people that show me alot respect and our producers............................

BUT.............................

Sum people on this forum are full ov SHIT, i mean what da fuck,

LET ME TELL U GUYS THAT DONT HAVE A CLUE WHAT UR TALKING ABOUT EVEN IF UR USING THE MOST DICTIONARY WORDS 2DATE!!!!!!

IM 21,IVE BEEN WORKING IN RECORDS SHOPS SINCE I WAS 14 YEAH,AND I WAS IN THE UNDERGROUND SOUND EVERYTHING BACK IN THE EARLY 2000'S WAS STILL GARAGE,THERE WAS DARK TUNES WHEN IT WAS STILL GARAGE UNTIL THE WORD ABOUT WAS DUBSTEP(2STEP)...GET IT!!!!!!!

EVERY FUCKING SHOP THAT I WORKED IN SLEWED DUBSTEP AND WAS INGNORANT THAT IT WAS PROGRESSION THAT WAS HAPPENING.

IT WAS STILL GARAGE, BUT I WAS ALL FOR WHAT WAS HAPPENING @ THAT TIME

PEOPLE DONT HAVE A CLUE WHAT DJ'S LIKE ME HAD 2 GO TRU, SUPPORTING THE SOUND, BIG NAME DJ'S LIKE CAMEO AND OTHERS WHO I WORKED WITH IN UPTOWN WAS KUSSING ME HARD, BUT U KNOW WHY

IT'S CUASE THEY WERE SCARED............

I'LL TELL U FUCKING WHY

LATE 2004, I WAS IN FWD AND YOUNGSTA WAS PLAYING A WICKED SET, THEN I HEARD FOR DA FIRST TIME MIDNITE REQUEST LINE FOR DA FIRST TIME, I REMEMBER ALMOST PULLING MY HAIR OUT(I HAD A DISTURBING AFRO AT THE TIME!!) I ASKED SKREAM DID U MAKE THAT STRAIGHT AWAY, AND HE TOLD ME HE DID

I FELT THAT TUNE IN MY HEART,GOOSEBUMPS AND EVERYTHING!!!

I KNEW THAT TRACK WOULD BLOW UP DUBSTEP TO A WHOLE NEW AUDIANCE,BUT NO 1 CARED ABOUT MY OPNION

I KNEW IT WOULD APPEAL 2 GRIME HEADS,DRUM N B HEADS, LOADS OV OTHER HEADS AND I WAS WORKING IN UPTOWN @ DA TIME AND I TOLD CAMEO AND THE OTHER STAFF, THIS TUNE IS GONNA BE THE BIGGEST TUNE AROUND, AND THEY ALL STARTED PISSING THEMSELVS.

YOUNGSTA SORTED ME OUT WID 1 OUT OV 5 T.P'S I WAS BATTERING THAT TUNE THE WHOLE OV 2005!!!!
NEX THING U KNOW, U GOT FUCKING SKEPTA AND WILEY CREAMING THERE FUCKING PANTS!!!!

PEOPLE NEED 2 JUST CHILL DA FUCK OUT COZ IT PISSES ME OFF, NO CARES THAT IVE BEEN AROUND LONGER THAN MOST PEOPLE IN DA SCENE, I WAS PUSHING THIS DUBSTEP SOUND IN MY SCHOOL DAYS, AND I USED 2 GET CUSSED HARD

SO WHEN MAN IS MOANING ABOUT A LITTLE NAME

IT MAKES ME REALISE HOW PETTY EVERY 1 IS

U MIGHT NOT CARE ABOUT MY STORY, BUT ITS TELLING U SUMTHING

COZ PEOPLE LIKE ME HAS BEEN DEDICATED 2 THIS WHOLE SHIT, IVE SAID 2 PEOPLE WATCH OUT
AND NOW THEY KNOW

SO U GUYS..................LETS JUST END THIS HEAR COZ NO MATTER WHAT U SAY, THE PRODUCERS WONT STOP

IF A TUNE IS GOOD, U WILL FEEL IT IN UR SOUL, U GET THE GOOSEBUMPS LIKE ME, JUST COZ A NAME IS COVERING THE MUSIC, THAT SHOULDNT CHANGE DA WAY U FEEL

COZ THAT AINT REAL

HUNASTAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

optimum · Post by **optimum** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 3:34 pm

Nice use of capitals heny lol

bunzer0 · Post by **bunzer0** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 3:37 pm

Blackdown wrote: it's all dubstep, right?

darkmatter · Post by **darkmatter** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 3:39 pm

Agree with what Blackdown and Decibella said. I like the more melodic side of dubstep, but it doesn't need it's own category.

People look at dnb and think "it started with beats, sub bass and a reggae/ragga influence, then went dark/tech after jungle, then after that liquid styles got bigger". Dubstep isn't dnb - it doesn't have to follow the same progression, with the same category names. And if you are gonna categorize, at least let's keep things fresh and come up with a new name lol.

dj heny.g · Post by **dj heny.g** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 3:47 pm

U guys keep missing the bloody point, no'1s catorgrizing it, we are just celebrating the music we feel we are making!

But every1 that disagree's 2 me in my opnion wast here from day1

Coz thats what dubstep is A FUCKING SUB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!A SUB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A SUB THAT TOOK LOADS OV IGNORANT PEOPLE BRINGING THE MUSIC DOWN UNTILL ITS RISE!!!!!!!!!

DONT BECOME THOSE IGNORANT PEOPLE COZ U LOOK STUPID!

Why dont no1 moan when people say breaktep or techstep,FULL OV SHIT!

all im saying is this friday on rinse, keep ur earls pealed!

deamonds · Post by **deamonds** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 3:50 pm

this thread is a mess

big up heny tho, i can see both sides views on this thread....

the answer......

only dubs will tell......

liquid dubstep....THE FUTURE

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