liquid dubstep....THE FUTURE

mushug · Post by **mushug** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 3:50 pm

I'm making eurostep but i need to be careful not to attract gay muscled people with flashlights in their thongs to the scene..... so i probably won't place that extra kick and clap i was thinking to my tune...

Jubz · Post by **Jubz** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 3:56 pm

Heny, no ones bringing the music down, we are just having a debate informed by mistakes made from other genre's. Personally I have always moaned when someone says breakstep or techstep, they dont exist in my mind. I enjoy the mellower flavours anti soc and that are coming with but I dont think it needs new name, my opinion is that to celebrate the music best we should keep under one banner.

Its been an interesting thred, big up.

rogue star · Post by **rogue star** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 4:05 pm

It seems that people haven't read quests post properly or any other comments for that matter.

The point is that no 1 is trying to label a sound at the mo, just using identifiable terminology to describe what they are trying to do and thats it.

I dont understand why people get up in arms when ever sume1 decides to define what they are trying to do. Its the sound they are pushing not an entire movement. Is it fear of take over? is it a personal thing? or are people trying to be abit too p.c. when it comes to this scene?

Sum of you need to get off that horse on stilts and realise that above all else it is about the music and nothing else. Terms and words is not what begins the demise of scenes, its people, and politics.

*decibella~~ · Post by *decibella~~ » Mon Jan 15, 2007 4:07 pm

DJ Heny.G wrote:I respect all people opnions on here and i love every1, coz there is alot ov people that show me alot respect and our producers............................

BUT.............................

Sum people on this forum are full ov SHIT, i mean what da fuck,

LET ME TELL U GUYS THAT DONT HAVE A CLUE WHAT UR TALKING ABOUT EVEN IF UR USING THE MOST DICTIONARY WORDS 2DATE!!!!!!

IM 21,IVE BEEN WORKING IN RECORDS SHOPS SINCE I WAS 14 YEAH,AND I WAS IN THE UNDERGROUND SOUND EVERYTHING BACK IN THE EARLY 2000'S WAS STILL GARAGE,THERE WAS DARK TUNES WHEN IT WAS STILL GARAGE UNTIL THE WORD ABOUT WAS DUBSTEP(2STEP)...GET IT!!!!!!!

EVERY FUCKING SHOP THAT I WORKED IN SLEWED DUBSTEP AND WAS INGNORANT THAT IT WAS PROGRESSION THAT WAS HAPPENING.

IT WAS STILL GARAGE, BUT I WAS ALL FOR WHAT WAS HAPPENING @ THAT TIME

PEOPLE DONT HAVE A CLUE WHAT DJ'S LIKE ME HAD 2 GO TRU, SUPPORTING THE SOUND, BIG NAME DJ'S LIKE CAMEO AND OTHERS WHO I WORKED WITH IN UPTOWN WAS KUSSING ME HARD, BUT U KNOW WHY

IT'S CUASE THEY WERE SCARED............

I'LL TELL U FUCKING WHY

LATE 2004, I WAS IN FWD AND YOUNGSTA WAS PLAYING A WICKED SET, THEN I HEARD FOR DA FIRST TIME MIDNITE REQUEST LINE FOR DA FIRST TIME, I REMEMBER ALMOST PULLING MY HAIR OUT(I HAD A DISTURBING AFRO AT THE TIME!!) I ASKED SKREAM DID U MAKE THAT STRAIGHT AWAY, AND HE TOLD ME HE DID

I FELT THAT TUNE IN MY HEART,GOOSEBUMPS AND EVERYTHING!!!

I KNEW THAT TRACK WOULD BLOW UP DUBSTEP TO A WHOLE NEW AUDIANCE,BUT NO 1 CARED ABOUT MY OPNION

I KNEW IT WOULD APPEAL 2 GRIME HEADS,DRUM N B HEADS, LOADS OV OTHER HEADS AND I WAS WORKING IN UPTOWN @ DA TIME AND I TOLD CAMEO AND THE OTHER STAFF, THIS TUNE IS GONNA BE THE BIGGEST TUNE AROUND, AND THEY ALL STARTED PISSING THEMSELVS.

YOUNGSTA SORTED ME OUT WID 1 OUT OV 5 T.P'S I WAS BATTERING THAT TUNE THE WHOLE OV 2005!!!!
NEX THING U KNOW, U GOT FUCKING SKEPTA AND WILEY CREAMING THERE FUCKING PANTS!!!!

PEOPLE NEED 2 JUST CHILL DA FUCK OUT COZ IT PISSES ME OFF, NO CARES THAT IVE BEEN AROUND LONGER THAN MOST PEOPLE IN DA SCENE, I WAS PUSHING THIS DUBSTEP SOUND IN MY SCHOOL DAYS, AND I USED 2 GET CUSSED HARD

SO WHEN MAN IS MOANING ABOUT A LITTLE NAME

IT MAKES ME REALISE HOW PETTY EVERY 1 IS

U MIGHT NOT CARE ABOUT MY STORY, BUT ITS TELLING U SUMTHING

COZ PEOPLE LIKE ME HAS BEEN DEDICATED 2 THIS WHOLE SHIT, IVE SAID 2 PEOPLE WATCH OUT
AND NOW THEY KNOW

SO U GUYS..................LETS JUST END THIS HEAR COZ NO MATTER WHAT U SAY, THE PRODUCERS WONT STOP

IF A TUNE IS GOOD, U WILL FEEL IT IN UR SOUL, U GET THE GOOSEBUMPS LIKE ME, JUST COZ A NAME IS COVERING THE MUSIC, THAT SHOULDNT CHANGE DA WAY U FEEL

COZ THAT AINT REAL

HUNASTAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes Heny mate.....

I hear you. Plus you know i got bare love and repect for yoooo assss

and im not saying that 'labeling' music will change how i or anyone else feels about the music. I appreciate you been pusing this thing from day dot, so this dicussion may seem petty.
Speaking from my personal experiance of another scene which i loved and thought i would never ever ever ever ever give up on, a music and a scene that i thought would never ever ever ever stop giving me them goosebumps and tingles........ i welcomed the sub genres, i thought it was positive. But now after seeing the devistating effects it can have on a scene, i love this dubstep things so much, im jus scared that similer could occur........because i always thought id be raving to DnB forever, it was my passion, jus like dubstep is and has been yours from time......
Im jus talking from my experiance of this sub-genreing in another music. Ive seen the effects and no matter how much people love the sound, it can, and will, have some knid of impact on the scene as a whole.....unfortunatly.

shards · Post by **shards** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 4:09 pm

I'm more interested in Quest's chromaesthesia, tbh. I know quite a few synaesthesiacs (myself for starters

) & it's always interesting to see how their unique perspective usually draws them into sonic fields of some description. There's also similarities in how they express themselves in writing, too.

For the record, I'm instinctively against the division of Dubstep at this point, I think it's far too early for that & I like the diversity of sound it currently enjoys. I'm also for more complex percussion & musicality, and as someone pointed out earlier, DJs develop their own styles- the style they play might be described, but another might play a lot of same tracks but with a different feel.

digital · Post by **digital** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 4:15 pm

DJ Heny.G wrote:NEX THING U KNOW, U GOT FUCKING SKEPTA AND WILEY CREAMING THERE FUCKING PANTS!!!!

It's all music, just listen and enjoy it.

ewah · Post by **ewah** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 4:22 pm

Only one thing to say: big up Heny G!

sheriff · Post by **sheriff** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 4:22 pm

I will say this again and again and again and this why i love dmz. Mala, Coki and Loefah between them have all styles which is important to me as a listener and a paying punter of both records and dmz events.

I do not understand what you are on about quest. I like your music and really i think you should let that do the talking rather than starting topics like this.

protocolx · Post by **protocolx** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 5:09 pm

this place is turning into DOA.. too many opinions..2000 page threads etcetc IMO lol

product · Post by **product** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 5:17 pm

it seems like everyone's thinkin about this too much.

if y'all think that labeling it "liquid" or "intelligent" will hurt this music, maybe you should look at what happened when it wasn't just garage anymore, but it was "dubstep."

labeling the subgenre of garage seemed to help it out. i'm not saying i'm for calling shit liquid or intelligent, but they're just fucking words. dubstep itself is a subgenre.

and i don't think people are trying to cut the scene down into subscenes, but maybe more like trying to separate themselves from something they don't feel a part of. if you feel the need to categorize every sound maybe you're not in it for the right reasons. i jam good dubstep. no more, no less.

ozols man · Post by **ozols man** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 5:21 pm

i know exactly what quest is on about...
this kinda change however is inevitable, when new personalities come into the scene...
i think with the darker music, its something you got to really feel if your going to create it, this is why i personally dont like hearing every man and his nan making these dark chromatic type melodies simply cos they are trying to immitate the current sound, my little motto is the melody is a reflection of your soul..
do YOU innit, not skream or loefah et al...

ufo over easy · Post by **ufo over easy** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 5:27 pm

slothrop · Post by **slothrop** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 5:27 pm

Markle wrote:I think we are all losing sight of something.

if it's a BADMAN TUNE!!!! I'm gonna buy it, right. I couldn't give a feck what it is catergorised as.

The problem of sub genres is when it starts fucking with the dance. DMZ over two rooms playing 'liquid' and the main room playing 'wobblers' or some such nonsense.

THIS SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN!!!!

Agree!

But it also gets a bit stupid when you can't talk about what a tune sounds like for fear of being jumped on by the subgenre police.

"What does X sound like?"
"oh, it's kind of bouncy melodic dubstep..."
"BOUNCY MELODIC DUBSTEP!!! WTF IS THIS SHIT? DUBSTEP IS DUBSTEP AND IT DOESN'T NEED ANY SUBGENRES. WHY DO YOU HAVE TO TRY TO PIGEONHOLE EVERYTHING? DO YOU WANT THE WHOLE SCENE TO SPLIT UP INTO MISERABLE LITTLE FACTIONS? THE DIVERSITY IS WHAT MAKES IT INTERESTING!!!"
etc.

product · Post by **product** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 5:32 pm

plus it wasn't a word that hurt dnb, it was shitty attitudes, stale music, piracy, etc etc

shards · Post by **shards** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 5:32 pm

Pffft Bouncy Melodic Dubstep? Sounds like Clownstep.....

Jubz · Post by **Jubz** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 5:32 pm

ProtocolX wrote:this place is turning into DOA.. too many opinions..2000 page threads etcetc IMO lol

Rubbish. We have had a good discussion, if this was DOA it would have dive bombed into "STFU n00b cnut" "you fucking ghey" by the second reply. Fact is its been pretty good natured and the more opinions the better.

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 6:34 pm

Jubscarz wrote:
ProtocolX wrote:this place is turning into DOA.. too many opinions..2000 page threads etcetc IMO lol
Rubbish. We have had a good discussion, if this was DOA it would have dive bombed into "STFU n00b cnut" "you fucking ghey" by the second reply. Fact is its been pretty good natured and the more opinions the better.

STFu noob cnut you fucking ghey

There, feels more like DOA already doesn't it

Before Bukem went "intelligent" he was playing tearout jungle alongside the more melodic tunes and that's what I liked about early jungle - no subgenres. No reason why you couldn't hear some Omni Trio alongside DJ SS or Ed Rush. When it got compartmentalised it got shit, lame intelligent pieces at one venue, harder than thou techstep at the next, jump-uppy jump up at the next.

I do think that darker, minimal sounds are coming to the fore but as these things move in cycles, I can see that reaching a dead-end and then folks will go off and do something different.

jahtao · Post by **jahtao** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 7:09 pm

Me again. Yeah i know Quest's work inc. Hardfood. Not v d&b but you see...

I never get involved in these discussions but this one had gone four pages without some twat lowering the tone and upsetting everyone, i mean, what kind of message do you think that sends out? That 'liquid dubstep is the future' is a less contentious issue than 'dubstep is grime made properly' or the old 'bass vs midrange' condundrum ...has the world gone mad?

Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer.

Now let us never speak of 'liquid dubs' ever again.

Seriously.

dj heny.g · Post by **dj heny.g** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 7:57 pm

Liquid,Gangsta Boogie,Funkadelic,Side Step Shuffle,Tropical Juice Drinking Booming Bass In Ur Face

And It Aint Going NoWhere!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

slothrop · Post by **slothrop** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 7:59 pm

Shonky wrote:
Jubscarz wrote:
ProtocolX wrote:this place is turning into DOA.. too many opinions..2000 page threads etcetc IMO lol
Rubbish. We have had a good discussion, if this was DOA it would have dive bombed into "STFU n00b cnut" "you fucking ghey" by the second reply. Fact is its been pretty good natured and the more opinions the better.
STFu noob cnut you fucking ghey

Pics or stfu!

Before Bukem went "intelligent" he was playing tearout jungle alongside the more melodic tunes and that's what I liked about early jungle - no subgenres.

Well, there was the 'tearout jungle' subgenre and the 'melodic' subgenre. But the difference was that (enough) DJ's and producers didn't feel the need to keep them seperated and stick to one or the other. Acknowledging that there are different styles and sounds isn't going to split things up in itself.

liquid dubstep....THE FUTURE

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