Can dubstep learn from the mistakes of DnB?

ufo over easy · Post by **ufo over easy** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 10:56 pm

Huge respect for playing tracks off Self Evident Truth man... my favourite drum and bass LP of all time, easily.

kuma · Post by **kuma** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 10:58 pm

UFO over easy wrote:Huge respect for playing tracks off Self Evident Truth man... my favourite drum and bass LP of all time, easily.

T'aint me, tis my occasional production partner and radio show co-host...but just wait..we've got T. locked for a mix on the radio show in febuary which'll surpise the crap out of people..

ufo over easy · Post by **ufo over easy** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 11:03 pm

pez · Post by **pez** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 1:44 pm

Definitely, I'm sure there's life in the old dog yet, at least I hope so!

Anyway, as we're talking mixes, might as well post mine up too! This is a few months old, but is chock full of quality drum and bass!

Fracture and Neptune - Firefly [Bassbin]
Nucleus and Paradox - Labrynthine [Esoteric]
Digital - GT [Function]
Martyn - Deepwood [Play:Musik]
Heist - Sprout [Horizons]
Reprazent - Watching Windows (Die RMX) [Talkin' Loud]
D-Bridge - China Blue [Liquid V]
Tactile - Aldabra [Dispatch]
klute - Learning Curve [Commercial Suicide]
Tactile - The Mist (Klute RMX) [Function]
Beta 2 - Crystal Meth [Metalheadz]
Capone - Voice [Hardleaders]
D-Bridge and Fierce - Twilight [Quarantine]
Senses - All Over [Subtle Audio]

http://www.pezholio.co.uk/mixes/pez_-_t ... forgot.mp3

messsingh · Post by **messsingh** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 10:08 pm

Some interesting things have been said.

Like all music forms that have been around for a long time people will always try to water them down.

If Dubstep is to survive the same thing will happen in time.

I will freely admit that most DnB is trash and I won't even waste my time attending half the raves.

Plus there are artists, labels and nights with hardcore followings which are still alive and kicking, bring new sounds all the time.

Like any music form you have to dig deep to find cutting edge tunes.

Dubstep is new and as yet there is still a lot that can be done. In time artists, labels and nights will find their niches and probably stick to them.

But like all music forms you will always find a few examples of cutting edge, fresh sounds / beats.

I have only joined this form because I saw a link to the website on Dogs On Acid.

I'm interested in the sound and a few of us are planning to hit a night in London soon.

All I can say is its nice to hear cutting edge music that has some fucking bassline pressure! Plus the darkness in some tunes is just sick!

Jazz

tate · Post by **tate** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 12:39 am

Kuma wrote:Eve-Garden Eccentrics

Badawi - Evocation
Pieter K - It could have been you
Plaid - Android
T Power - Circle
Deep Blue - Soho Code X
etc

I found this mix intriguing, learned about it from Jess Harvell's Pitchfork article. Kind of gutsy to mix from Badawi to the Pieter K tune to Plaid, not entirely convinced that it works, but very creative. Couldn't help but think when I first heard it that mixes like this, i.e., including Plaid et al (non dnb etc), is one of the interesting directions that dnb mixing should explore in the future. Gave the mix to Jason oS just a couple of weeks ago. Nice one, Kuma.

3507321c · Post by **3507321c** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 2:59 am

I been listenin' to DNB for 3 years, Grime since it was Garage and Dubstep since I heard Vex'd.

Vex'd Crusher Dub is the fuckin' track for me.

Without DNB n' Jungle I never would've liked Garage/Grime/Dubstep.

It's all relative, innit.

ufo over easy · Post by **ufo over easy** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 8:37 pm

ruckspin · Post by **ruckspin** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 3:05 am

i believe dubstep and dnb can co-exist peacefully with good tunes all round and no a-list lockdown of tunes:

tacospheros · Post by **tacospheros** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 8:08 am

Alex Deadman wrote:
Back in the day certain people got together in the industry to form the JAPM (The Junglist Against Perpetrators Movement).

lol "and to all you jump ons who got on the bandwagon back in 94 , you can all come suck my bawls"

i thought shit on that remarc record was a joke

inka dubz · Post by **inka dubz** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 10:10 am

there's more quality d&b being made now than ever. you just all lost the passion and motivation to keep looking.
dubstep heads = failed junglists

izm · Post by **izm** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 11:18 am

There's one mistake people in both dubstep and dnb camps seem to be making:

DNB HEAD: "Dubstep? Well, I've heard a clip of a track in 128kbps quality 2 months ago, too slow and crappy production as for me, it sucks."

DUBSTEP HEAD: "D'n'B? Yeah, I used to be into atmospheric jungle in '97 but since then it's all gone crap apart from the 3 obvious drumfunk producers I've stumbled across online in the last 3 months, it's too dark, too hard, too boring, it sucks."

Both examples of musical laziness. You might as well just stick to whatever pop crap TMF tries to feed you and buying Justin Timberlake mp3's off ITunes...

flaviano · Post by **flaviano** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 12:29 pm

sileni's twitchy droid leg has been mentioned a lot on this thread... When i got the vex'd remix i wasn't feeling the flip (martsman) but i downloaded some of his other stuff, and it's pretty fuckin tasty.

i swear German dnb is moving fwd in a way *a lot of, but not all, obv* english dnb isnt

dusty · Post by **dusty** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 12:33 pm

Soundmurderer and SK1 have created the best jungle I have ever heard, and they are from detroit of all places

h.e.n.c.hwench · Post by **h.e.n.c.hwench** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 3:44 pm

I still love drum and bass... all of it and i run a successful dnb night as well as H.E.N.C.H but then I've only been into since 2002...

However most of the people at the heart seem, to me, as passionate as ever and every week my night is rammed and atmosphere is amazing

www.myspace.com/runbristol

-its a party!

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 4:24 pm

Inka Dubz wrote:there's more quality d&b being made now than ever. you just all lost the passion and motivation to keep looking.
dubstep heads = failed junglists

There's some quality dnb being made, but saying more than ever is frankly ridiculous. Seems to be played out rehashes of old styles with better production (I don't buy tunes for the production btw). DNB seems to have left any claims to originality or relevance long time back.

Even noticed a thread on DOA where people were discussing how embarrassed they felt about the genre - this is mostly to do with it being reduced to rave music for 13 year old pillheads though.

Didn't lose the passion for jungle, just can't be arsed to look for that micro-percentage of tunes that are actually interesting or doing something new. Always the reissues though...

elgato · Post by **elgato** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 4:27 pm

Shonky wrote:There's some quality dnb being made, but saying more than ever is frankly ridiculous. Seems to be played out rehashes of old styles with better production (I don't buy tunes for the production btw). DNB seems to have left any claims to originality or relevance long time back.

most has, but keep your eyes on Offshore, Counter Intelligence, Subvert Central, Thermal and the like and you'll hear originality and relevance by the gallon

ufo over easy · Post by **ufo over easy** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 4:44 pm

Shonky wrote:Seems to be played out rehashes of old styles with better production (I don't buy tunes for the production btw).

nah that's not true..

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 5:36 pm

UFO over easy wrote:
Shonky wrote:Seems to be played out rehashes of old styles with better production (I don't buy tunes for the production btw).
nah that's not true..

Oh, what I do buy tunes for the production?

Well to my mind, liquids just the Logical Progression sound updated, there's still the techsteppy business which Ed Rush was doing better years ago, and that dreadful reese and hoover business that seems to ruin most free parties.

I know that there's good stuff out there as that mix of yours demonstrates Ben, but the more interesting stuff doesn't seem to get played by the bigger name dj's to my knowledge. But then any interest I had in dnb has more or less been squandered by the drivel that's been popular for the last few years and I don't have the time to check through hundreds of releases to find something that isn't more of the same old shizzle. Which is probably why I spend my time here rather than DOA.

ufo over easy · Post by **ufo over easy** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 5:59 pm

Shonky wrote: I know that there's good stuff out there as that mix of yours demonstrates Ben, but the more interesting stuff doesn't seem to get played by the bigger name dj's to my knowledge.

Yeah this much is true, the scene is completely locked down. It'd a mistake to think big name DJs represent everything in drum and bass though.. at the moment there's quite a lot of good music being released - it's taken a lot of time for labels to establish themselves but there's a few labels now in a position to release interesting music regularly. Elgato's on the money with his picks..

I have no idea why the people releasing good music are still clinging to drum and bass though when they get no representation or support from the scene.. it may as well be a totally different scene. The people who buy their tunes don't go to big raves - they'd do much better marketing themselves to the boomkat/dubstep/electronica crowd than to drum and bass fans in my opinion.

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