Emalkay discusses both the U.K. and U.S. dubstep scenes

[hipnotikk]

that had to have been a 21+ show then......no way that would have gone well any other way i figure

you know 18+ still has a 21+ crowd..

[_boring]

yes it was a 21+ crowd

[alexchuck]

hellfire machina's post should be carved in stone.

although this thread has some obnoxious posts, it might be for the greater good. while we are arguing over different flavors in dubstep, the dubstep producers are striving on with dilligence to unify music. this music is meant to deconstruct all commonly held misconceptions about filthy and mellow, hard and soft and so on. keep spitting out your frustrations, they could be inspirational.

[rez pez]

steeze promo needs to get their audio in check, only reason people yell for the harder shit is because they cant hear anything but muddy tunes otherwise. the mc yelling into the little sound we can hear doesn't help much either.

doing it terribly wrong, tbh. its much worse than that video shows

some places are doing it pretty damn well but are usually 21+ shows.. which isnt any good for the young ones who are being exposed to something a lot worse

[seckle]

the reason why the deep stuff hasn't caught on over in the states is because dubstep is still growing and emerging over here......

dubstep has grown plenty in the UK....and everyone is familiar with most artists....therefore after the familiarization they allow themselves to branch out and see what else is available.....

i believe the states is at least a full year + behind the UK in terms of artist recognition......and deep exposure......

i mean to be honest.......SKREAM barely got booked to his first LA massive last year.....NOCTURNAL FESTIVAL.... 40,000 PEOPLE.........that alone goes to show where dubstep is at in the U.S........i mean skream was doing underground pure filth shows for years before 2009.....but on a grander scale dubstep is now barley growing in the states........

WE HAVE YET TO REACH THE POINT WHERE DUBSTEP GETS BOOKED MAINSTAGE ON A SET OF INSANE SPEAKERS.....in front of a 20,000+ mainstage crowd......we are at the point however where dubstep gets booked headlining at dubstep nights with UK talent.....and now in various assortments of massive 10,000+ raves....however playing on a much smaller stage along with dnb artists etc.....


even though LA has pure filth....which is internationally known.....a lot of the people who attend it are looking to hear some dirty shit

no less.....however with women starting to fill dubstep nights......i see within a year time purefilth heading in the direction of a sub-bass heavy chilled out time....AND I CANT WAIT FOR IT TOO HAPPEN!!!!!

check your facts... the "deep stuff" has been around in america for years. maybe not in SoCal, but its been around. also....next month dubstep is being booked mainstage for over 50,000.... last year's ultrafestival had 70,000 people.

[honey-d]

So I read through ALMOST all of the pages (gimme a break if someone already brought this up) but in america there is little to no knowledge about UK Garage, 2-step, etc. and most of the "deeper" songs have a stronger UK Garage influence which is something that American's frankly don't identify with. It's not like in the UK where there's pirate stations playing garage since the nineties, this is America, we listen to hip hop... alot of hip hop. I feel like alot of the people who are only there for the jump up feel like it takes the groove and pace of a nice hip hop song and then jams some crazy ass heavy metalesque sounds on top of it and they vibe on the music from that angle, which is chill to me but yeah

American's aren't familiar with garage so they don't appreciate the more future garage sounds as much

[seckle]

most of the "deeper" songs have a stronger UK Garage influence which is something that American's frankly don't identify with.

?

there's deep songs that have nothing to do with garage or 2step. some of the best meditational music in this sound is from hip hop, soul and reggae influences. i think that what you're saying about what american's listen to , or have listened to is misguided. craig david for example, who was one of the bigger 2step stars did better than average here in america. he made dance charts here. sure, you can't say that it was "big" in america, but then again you can't say that drum and bass was ever big in america, and its been around for over 15 years here. what's big in your hometown , doesn't mean thats some barometer for the whole country. every city draws different influences.

[prisoner]

i sometimes hear craig david 'rewind' playing in the jamba juice next to the place that i work.

i was also going out for some kareoke with my gf and they had 3 craig david songs and a so solid song on the list. we should have done one in hind sight.

but yeah, this thread is *blanket statement about america vs uk listening/culture/society/ etc etc etc* ad nauseum.

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as if craig david that gets played on radio here has anything to do with garage as we know it

[honey-d]

most of the "deeper" songs have a stronger UK Garage influence which is something that American's frankly don't identify with.

?

there's deep songs that have nothing to do with garage or 2step. some of the best meditational music in this sound is from hip hop, soul and reggae influences. i think that what you're saying about what american's listen to , or have listened to is misguided. craig david for example, who was one of the bigger 2step stars did better than average here in america. he made dance charts here. sure, you can't say that it was "big" in america, but then again you can't say that drum and bass was ever big in america, and its been around for over 15 years here. what's big in your hometown , doesn't mean thats some barometer for the whole country. every city draws different influences.

I agree that not all deep stuff is UK Garage based but I said most and I'm sticking with it, obviously there are deep songs that take lots of different influence.

I stand by my statement about UK Garage. I've met LOTS and LOTS of people who's favorite EDM is Drum and Bass, most people say electro as their favorite, then if I ask if they like dubstep it's like flip a coin on whether a raver has been to a rave with dubstep before, and when I talk to people who like dubstep and I tell them I produce I give them a feel by saying its more 2-step garagey and less hard and grinding, that's about when everyone I've talked to say's "what?"

Maybe your experience is different but I have honestly NEVER EVER met someone stateside who knows what Garage is, let alone 2 step.

Obviously laying blanket statements is stupid, I didn't say ALL deep songs are garage influenced nor did I say NO ONE has heard of Garage in the US, I simply was talking about my experience and one of the possible reasons that Americans don't identify at least with the more garage-based songs.

[larose]

I love alot of chill dub for sure. But the thing with it is after a while it seems to get boring for me because i find there is no real excitement within it. That is NOT saying that it is any better or any worse than the dirty fatt beats we have going on right now. More mellow dub has alot of awsome rhythm, melodies, and drum parts. From my experience, crowds do seem to get bored with more mellow dub, because it does not keep them on their toes. Coming from western canada, we have some of the grimiest filthiest dubstep around. I find that the crowds i play for deffintly like fatt grimey beats generally more. That is not saying that people do not like mellow/groovey dub in western canada. ALL dub has its place and time, for any set that you play there is always a general theme that goes with it. If i am opening for a show, i am not going to play bangers.

I believe one of the reasons why dubstep is so different from Canada/USA compared to UK is because we want to mix things up and have differences between our music. There are differences within almost every aspect of our lives, and obviously there has to be in our music as well.

For the people who are saying that "we" just make grimey dirty philty dubstep because we are angry people compared to the citizens of the uk, you also do not know what you are talking about. If u knew producers then you would see that some of the nicest, pleasant, generous, kind, large hearted people i know can come up with some of the dirtiest tracks.

As for the people that were saying that all "we" do is get fucked up on pills and listen to grime, you do obviously not know what you are talking about.

All of this is my own opinion, and everybody is entitled to their own

[nerve]

In this city glow sticks make it to the 18+ shows at the venue with too many lights. The kids that show up at these shows call anything electronic techno.

edit: except hip-hop, rnb, and the like. I'm pretty sure they just think the singers' voices magically produce songs.

[hellfire machina]

as if craig david that gets played on radio here has anything to do with garage as we know it

Agreed, in his early days sure but once the first couple of hits came he went rnb quicker than a hooker demands her cash.

I think a lot of people are forgetting that a fair chunk of ukg was heavily influenced by american 'garage', it was a melting pot really. Lot's of different vibes from horrificaly cheesey pop songs to incredibly intricate pieces of soulful broken beat and everything in between.

The whole US/UK divide thing seems to be a myth, it's 2010 and the internet has been going strong for a long time now so virtually anything is there for the finding no matter where you are living.

I guess the main difference is that the big uk styles of edm : old skool hardcore/jungle/dnb/2 step/ukg/grime/dubstep started off as (for want of a better word) ghetto or street music. The soundtrack of the streets of working class britain if you will. Of course it evolved as everything does but the entry levels are distinctivly different.

It's funny because back in the day it was the influx of students up and down the country getting into bass music that helped the growth of it, jungle wasn't just the sound of the streets of london anymore, a lot of people fell in love with it and this led to the explosion of bass culture across the planet that has brought us to where we are today.

The common factor is bass, it's one of lifes little miracles, it brings us together more than we realise really. I could go into how human beings resonate at certain frequencies and therefore our relationship with the low end is hardly suprising but I'm guessing this isn't the right place or time.

[blackdown]

So I read through ALMOST all of the pages (gimme a break if someone already brought this up) but in america there is little to no knowledge about UK Garage, 2-step, etc. and most of the "deeper" songs have a stronger UK Garage influence which is something that American's frankly don't identify with. It's not like in the UK where there's pirate stations playing garage since the nineties, this is America, we listen to hip hop... alot of hip hop. I feel like alot of the people who are only there for the jump up feel like it takes the groove and pace of a nice hip hop song and then jams some crazy ass heavy metalesque sounds on top of it and they vibe on the music from that angle, which is chill to me but yeah

hmm interesting insight into the average US dubstep fan....

American's aren't familiar with garage so they don't appreciate the more future garage sounds as much

Shame, you lot invented it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradise_Garage

[kidlogic]

So I read through ALMOST all of the pages (gimme a break if someone already brought this up) but in america there is little to no knowledge about UK Garage, 2-step, etc. and most of the "deeper" songs have a stronger UK Garage influence which is something that American's frankly don't identify with. It's not like in the UK where there's pirate stations playing garage since the nineties, this is America, we listen to hip hop... alot of hip hop. I feel like alot of the people who are only there for the jump up feel like it takes the groove and pace of a nice hip hop song and then jams some crazy ass heavy metalesque sounds on top of it and they vibe on the music from that angle, which is chill to me but yeah

hmm interesting insight into the average US dubstep fan....

American's aren't familiar with garage so they don't appreciate the more future garage sounds as much

Shame, you lot invented it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradise_Garage

Please dont take that as insight into an "average" US dubstep fan... some of us have been into this since '06

...and funny, I was gonna bring up the Paradise Garage stuff too, but didnt want to get flamed for the US trying to take too much credit. Glad you did though lol.

[hellfire machina]

So I read through ALMOST all of the pages (gimme a break if someone already brought this up) but in america there is little to no knowledge about UK Garage, 2-step, etc. and most of the "deeper" songs have a stronger UK Garage influence which is something that American's frankly don't identify with. It's not like in the UK where there's pirate stations playing garage since the nineties, this is America, we listen to hip hop... alot of hip hop. I feel like alot of the people who are only there for the jump up feel like it takes the groove and pace of a nice hip hop song and then jams some crazy ass heavy metalesque sounds on top of it and they vibe on the music from that angle, which is chill to me but yeah

hmm interesting insight into the average US dubstep fan....

American's aren't familiar with garage so they don't appreciate the more future garage sounds as much

Shame, you lot invented it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradise_Garage

At last, I was hoping you would appear in this thread.

Larry Levane left quite the legacy. Funny how it works like that isn't it. A bit like early uk producers cultivating the art of chopping up beats made mostly by american drummers in the 60's and 70's. It's a funny old game, er no hold on that's snooker, Steve Davis in Dubwar headline set shocker! He does claim to have one of the most comprehensive collections of funk records on the planet so it could be quite interesting lol.

[jamesjames]

I am from d.c. and it kinda hurts me to go to the shows that pop up everynow and than around baltimore. It is more of scene than a show, and i completely agree with how gay the glowsticks are. shit is dumb. rarely do you hear the likes of skream, benga, distance, mala, or any other uk artists being dropped during shows. It sucks. You mostly hear the crazy grindy synths and the overly intense shit that isnt nearly as good. don't get me wrong cuz i do listen to those tracks but i find them simply not as good. Its rare for me to come across anyone who appreciates the loafahs and the vex'd's. The darker more bassy shit. everyone just wants to hear swaga and pro nails, and i partly blame myself for ever showing people those songs because now it is all i hear whether i am at a party or in the student parking lot. In my point of view, the dubstep scene hear is not too good. All djs sound the same, and it hurts me not to hear any of the hard shit that the true dubsteppas iz makin in the UK

[kidshuffle]

Maybe your experience is different but I have honestly NEVER EVER met someone stateside who knows what Garage is, let alone 2 step.

Yeah, for the most part most people I've met that like electronic music, that are under 25-27, have no clue what garage/2step is before I tell them about it. Older heads remember though

[akindele]

Just like D&B, the Darker and more Grungy Dubstep will always go down better in this country, on a whole. Not saying that's the norm for everyone, as I myself never cared for much of post 97 Dark D&B, and the Grungy sounding Dubstep that a lot peeps over here love so much.

It's simple really, look at the most people who are into these genres, and most of them come from a Rock, Punk, Hard Techno/Housish background. It's no coincedence that D&B did'nt really start to move over here till the Dark and Techy sounds become in Vogue around the 97-99 period. Or that UK Garage did'nt do anything over here, other than little scenes here, and there. And it's pretty much the same with Dubstep, when the Grungy and Filthy sounds started to come in, that's when all the sudden Dubstep started to catch on some what.

As a person who's always been into the more Rootsier and Soulful Side of Electronic music(Jungle/Soulful D&B, Garage, Soulful House, Soulful/Original Dubstep Sound)there really has'nt been much for me on a regular basis other than Soulful House, but it is what it is.

[_boring]

Maybe your experience is different but I have honestly NEVER EVER met someone stateside who knows what Garage is, let alone 2 step.

Yeah, for the most part most people I've met that like electronic music, that are under 25-27, have no clue what garage/2step is before I tell them about it. Older heads remember though

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