You can't love all dubstep, right?

corpsey · Post by **corpsey** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 6:28 pm

Okay, well I agree with you to an extent I also like discussing music etc. although I don't think being into music NECESSARILY involves wanting to talk about it, criticise it etc. And when it comes down to it, saying a tune is ''weak'' and that its producer is ''shit'' isn't exactly contributing a lot more than saying a tune is good and its producer is heavy. And it's not as if if people aren't talking about what they don't like about dubstep on here they aren't going to be thinking it anyway and certain people aren't going to be making tunes that fit more with what they want from the music.

Look, I'm sure if there was a tune you didn't like for whatever reason and there was a thread on here about it you'd be perfectly within your rights to post a thoughtful criticism of it or simply say ''I don't like this'', and people would tolerate it. But if you just say ''this is shit'' as if thats the objective truth and doesn't need explaining, OF COURSE people aren't going to sit back and smile, especially if the producer posts on here regularly and plenty of people on here like him and his tunes.

Anyway, I'm a hypocrite really because on dnb forums I'm constantly slating tunes lol But there's a different atmosphere on this forum and to be honest it has its advantages and disadvantages but its never going to be perfect.

donruba · Post by **donruba** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 6:31 pm

obIwan wrote:You loveable idiot, of course no one likes every dubstep tune. I don't like Cays Crays remix even though absolutely everyone else does. I just don't like the vocal, I like original 70's reggae and think its much better than Fat Freddies which just sounds like arty student music to me, and I just find the beat too slow to dance too and depressing. Also I don't like anything too monotonous, screechy or obvious synthy strings. I would say I like 60% of Dubstep which is pretty good going as I like 50% reggae 30% of hip-hop and about 2% of everything else!

Yeah, well the problem is that nobody talks about what they don't like, and I think that is just as relevant and interesting as what they do like. So thanks for telling us about something you don't like! I agree, I don't understand why everyone seems to be going crazy over that tune.

bob crunkhouse · Post by **bob crunkhouse** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:03 pm

donruba wrote:
Bob Crunkhouse wrote:
brooksy wrote:But I partly come here for information about what's going on, what releases that are out and if they're good or not. When the posts about exactly EVERY record that's coming out is "This tune is wikkid", "Yeah m8 I luv it", "Very big release", and so on, I find that very uninforming. I don't want to sit and count the superlatives to find out if a record is good or not. "Hm, fifteen people say X is the greatest dubstep tune ever made, and only four people said that Y is the best ever. I guess that means that that Y is realy lousy." I want to no if it's good OR bad.
u wot??
*"I want to KNOW if it's good or bad."
Better?

And who are you to criticize? You managed to misquote so it looks like brooksy wrote it when it was me. Hah!

well why not use your fucking ears fool!

what do u expect exactly?? people to write ur gonna like this tune if u like this one and this producer and this certain era in music, threads like the ones u mentioned exist because people who care listen to the radio and go out and LISTEN TO THE MUSIC!!

obiwan · Post by **obiwan** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 8:43 pm

I don't see what all the hype about Burial (well produced though, if not dynamic sounding enough for me) is for either while i'm on a rant. Depressing 2 step, who needs that? And yes I do know that dark garage started this whole thing off, its just, well its moved on. But people who don't rate/know about dubstep rate Burial so i guess its good for the scene, to lure in the unsuspecting. Haunted by DMZ is a massive tune but it gets to me every time tat I know how to find one of the noises/effects in it in a soundbank for Reason, called bloops i think. I think DMZ are a little bit overrated to be honest. I love Coki's new beats though and New Life Baby Paris by Mala etc, its beautiful. Its just that what most people like about DMZ is what I don't, namely the basic arrangement, instant accesibility. Some Skream tunes I don't like like that summer lovin one. Every producer has an up and downside, like why don't Ruskos reggae tune mix with anything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Personal grievance there
Oh yeah and I hate 9 Samurai, well not hate, but I hate people that love it cos what do they do when it comes on. Skank around the room???!!! I don't think so. Good in a film, shit on the dancefloor.

obiwan · Post by **obiwan** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 8:49 pm

On the upside;

Mala- Lean FWD is gonna be big though
Distance-Night Vision
Scuba- Braille diving, Dream/Harpoon

ctually what sum1 said before is true why do this when you can vote with your decks, the whole beauty of dubstep is that its growing so now we don't all have to go out and buy the same tunes, even if we all do (including you name-jays-you know you overlap) Hopefully when its big muggins willl be able to go BM and be the only person I know with a certain dub for a likkle while.

Only time will tell innit!

corpsey · Post by **corpsey** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 8:56 pm

obIwan wrote: Oh yeah and I hate 9 Samurai, well not hate, but I hate people that love it cos what do they do when it comes on. Skank around the room???!!! I don't think so. Good in a film, shit on the dancefloor.

Maybe they skank around the room to it because they love it? And if some people are skanking around the room how is it ''shit'' on the dancefloor?

Although I have to admit I feel you on the Burial thing, I don't quite understand the love for Burial tunes they seem a bit formless to me.

obiwan · Post by **obiwan** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 8:59 pm

Thats the great thing about personal taste in music, I clearly hit a nerve and you leapt to the tunes defence. I don't like that "fittest of the fittest one" either whoever its by, annoying strings, good sample, boring beat and thats a dancefloor tune, so thats not my beef, its just sonic blueprints that I ether like or don't. I just find 9 Samurai droney and lacking structure or a "step"

obiwan · Post by **obiwan** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 9:07 pm

D1 and Silkies new unnamed tune is the fucking dogs nuts mayn!

slothrop · Post by **slothrop** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 3:50 am

IMO there's a big difference between saying when you don't like something and disrespecting the producer.

I'm not too bothered about being "constructive" - I don't think Hijak (or whoever) is going to think "oh, some random on a message board thinks I should use more melody and lose the echo on my hihats so I'd better go and do it" - but keeping to the 'would you say it to their face' principle and not just slating people normally stops things getting stupid.

dubliss · Post by **dubliss** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 7:41 am

Who's got an itchy feeling donruba & and our little friend smurf are the same person??

Fuck bruv, all these big words and musical dicection and you stil cant make a point.

And as for this little comment:

And who are you to criticize? You managed to misquote so it looks like brooksy wrote it when it was me. Hah

You sad little being....

!

spooKs · Post by **spooKs** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 7:15 pm

YER GIRT GABBER TROLLOPS, THA LOT O' YER

donruba · Post by **donruba** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 7:26 pm

Dubliss wrote:Who's got an itchy feeling donruba & and our little friend smurf are the same person??

Fuck bruv, all these big words and musical dicection and you stil cant make a point.

And as for this little comment:

And who are you to criticize? You managed to misquote so it looks like brooksy wrote it when it was me. Hah

You sad little being....

!

Hm, I must say I feel very misunderstood. I'll try to answer this and maybe clear out some of the misunderstandings.

1.
No, me and Smurf is not the same person. I don't know any way of proving this, so I guess I can't do much more that telling you that it is not so. Believe it if you want to.

2.
About the "who are you to criticize" quote, this is what happened from my point of view: I ended one of my posts with the words "I want to no if it's good OR bad."

Then Bob Crunkhouse answered: "

u wot??"

I thought he was, in a FRIENDLY (due to the smilies I guess) way teasing/dissing me for my spelling error, that I had typed "no" when I meant "know".

So I meant to tease him back in a friendly way, by pointing that he himself had made an error by make a mistake when quoting so it looked like brooksy had written the misspelled post. So I wrote:

"*'I want to KNOW if it's good or bad.'
Better?

And who are you to criticize? You managed to misquote so it looks like brooksy wrote it when it was me. Hah!"

With a smiley (meaning to signal that I was happy and wasn't offended or anything) but also with an arrogant "Hah! in the end, but this was also part of the joke, like saying "Hehe, if you act like a besserwisser, then I can be a besserwisser too"

But then he answered: "well why not use your fucking ears fool!" and so on, in a very not-friendly way, so I realized we must have somehow misunderstood each other. I still don't really understand how though.

3.
What I tried to say originally in this thread was something like that I had a feeling that it wasn't ok to say negative stuff in this forum, and that I thought that this unwritten rule wasn't very good because it limits the freedom of intellectual exchange.

I think that some of the replies has proved my point pretty well. I haven't even criticized any artists, I have just tried to discuss this unwritten rule, and for that I have been called a "twat" that should "suck monkey balls", an "idiot" (although a loveable one), a "fool" that should use my "fucking ears", and a "sad little being".

Well yeah, right now I am kind of sad, because I love dubstep and I think this forum is a great place, and after lurking around for a while I was thinking of starting to post and contribute. But right now I don't know anymore. I guess that will make some of you happy. Congratulations, you managed to make me have second thoughts about posting here more. Obviously you have a problem with people that doesn't have the same opinions as yourself. How very loving and positive of you.

bob crunkhouse · Post by **bob crunkhouse** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 7:39 pm

its gonna be alright mate, really it is

the reason i got annyoed is becasue u seemed to be asking an ultimatley stupid question, whether something is good or bad is very much up to the individual as im sure you're aware...was a bit pissed when i responded to your message so sorry for the name calling but to be honest the best way is to as i said listen to as many radio sets as poss and got out to as many nights as u can, then you hear stuff and realise u like it, or dont.

as many people have said just slagging stuff of is pointless cos you're just gonna get people coming back at ya disagreeing, constructive critisicm on the other hand is good as people understand why u dont like things and even if they dont agree can say "yeh, i dont agree but if hes not into that and i understand why then its all good" i know thats my position anyway.

peace, bruva...this is a loveavle and postivie place...post away my friend just think before u do so (like everyone should)...all power to ya!

Easy

Sean

obiwan · Post by **obiwan** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:32 pm

^^^^^^^
You weren't in 'Sharpe' were you mate?

dublinstep · Post by **dublinstep** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:04 pm

I agree with some of the original post... I think its fair to say why you dont like a particular track, or what it is within the track or the artists work that you dont like, but describing it simply as "shit" or saying things like "depressing 2-step, who needs that" isnt constructive or contributing in any way at all.

lightness · Post by **lightness** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:21 pm

I agree very much with the original poster

I get that you guys love dubstep (probably far more than I do) but I can't see how an almost complete lack of criticism can help the scene

You can't love all dubstep, right?

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