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Burning Woe...

Post by Basic A » Wed Feb 24, 2010 8:37 pm

So, Ive got some Ive my tunes Im trying to get too CD so I can stop mixing my shit through latpop/aux and get t into one of the CDJs... The problem is, and its just on this one tune of mine, when I burn it, one of the synths almost completely disappears... its wierd... Is it because Im cheap and havent had the song mastered yet, or could it be something wierd about how Im burning it? Its the only WAV Ive treid burning, but I dont see how using an mp3 could make a difference? IDK how it could be a mastering/mixdown problem, Ive enver had problems with my tunes being burnt before...

The track Im havin trouble with is in my sig, and its the lead/metallic sound that doesnt make it onto the CD... On a note, soundcloud easts this track pretty bad too, so, could that be like, a pattern of bullshit around a single tune?
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Re: Burning Woe...

Post by upstateface » Thu Feb 25, 2010 3:01 am

Burn at slowest speed possible and use good quality CD-R's. :D
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Post by Basic A » Thu Feb 25, 2010 3:04 am

upstateface wrote:Burn at slowest speed possible and use good quality CD-R's. :D
Its not my burn speed, i promise... Whyrez said phase concellation, so I switchedeverything to mono and treated it a bit, still didnt get me anywhere...

Its just the lead that gets eaten, n then a little bit of the top end remains behind, its wierd...
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Post by upstateface » Thu Feb 25, 2010 3:20 am

Very weird. Probably the tune itself then.
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Post by Basic A » Thu Feb 25, 2010 3:28 am

upstateface wrote:Very weird. Probably the tune itself then.
But what about it could cause it? becuase like...
Basic A wrote:The problem is, and its just on this one tune of mine
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Post by flippo » Thu Feb 25, 2010 4:04 am

are you listening to the tune through the same amp and speakers when you compare the PC and CD versions?

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Post by Basic A » Thu Feb 25, 2010 4:14 am

flippo wrote:are you listening to the tune through the same amp and speakers when you compare the PC and CD versions?
Yup, only difference, ones through the CDJ player, the other is through the aux line... same mixer too.

N its not my players, they dont have any sound accentuation that Im aware of aside from some minimal still-harmonic low end muddlin bullshit...
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Post by flippo » Thu Feb 25, 2010 5:47 am

That is very odd. You're not accidentally rendering to mono or something like that, are you?

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Post by Basic A » Thu Feb 25, 2010 6:39 am

flippo wrote:That is very odd. You're not accidentally rendering to mono or something like that, are you?
No, that wouldnt be a problem after I went down through and centered my synths and checked for phasing...

Seriously, if anyone who knows shit about mastering or ect wants to help me out in this, Ive got 320s, WAVs, stems, idc, Ill send it all if it means havin this muffucka on a CD by Saturday.
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Post by narcissus » Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:18 am

yeah, frikkin weird. my only guess would be you accidentally hit render after muting one of the synths or something.. i've done that on occasion and couldn't figure out why the hell it wasn't sounding right.. then i'd be like :oops: oh yeah.. aside from that, i dunno.. try soloing that synth track and rendering just that, see if the same problem still pops up..

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Post by Basic A » Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:25 am

narcissus wrote:yeah, frikkin weird. my only guess would be you accidentally hit render after muting one of the synths or something.. i've done that on occasion and couldn't figure out why the hell it wasn't sounding right.. then i'd be like :oops: oh yeah..
Lol, been there, but nah...
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Post by lowpass » Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:04 am

Have you played the song from the very start to the very end in you daw?

-make sure there are no mute/volume automation making it behave funny
-what automation is on the lead line?
-is it's output set to the same as everything else? (where is it routed to?)

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Post by Basic A » Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:42 am

lowpass wrote:Have you played the song from the very start to the very end in you daw?

-make sure there are no mute/volume automation making it behave funny
-what automation is on the lead line?
-is it's output set to the same as everything else? (where is it routed to?)

What I dont think anyones understanding is that the track is FINE on my PC, and on EVERYONE elses pcs, but, the minute Im putting it on CD, its dieing. I didnt just slip up and it not make it into the WAV. Ive already said that the wav plays fine on my pc, and on EVERYONE elses pcs, but, the minute we (and yes, its a we situation now) are putting it too CD, about 60% of the lead is disappearing. Its thier in the wav though. This is not something silly like volume being cut. This is something deeply wierd about either my synths phase causing canellation on CD that Im not seeing and that switching to mono and treating the synth the ways I know how isnt fixing, or god just hates me. Like I said, a clip of its in my sig, if you wanna hear for yourself that the lead does in fact exist, and is not just in my imagination, feel free.

But, no... for the last time no... this is not a question of me accidentally having a sound muted, this is not a problem with the sound not being rendered properly into the WAV... it is a question of bits of the WAV disappearing and the file suffering a huge loss in quality when its put too a CD.
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Re: Burning Woe...

Post by lowpass » Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:49 am

Basic A wrote:
lowpass wrote:Have you played the song from the very start to the very end in you daw?

-make sure there are no mute/volume automation making it behave funny
-what automation is on the lead line?
-is it's output set to the same as everything else? (where is it routed to?)

What I dont think anyones understanding is that the track is FINE on my PC, and on EVERYONE elses pcs, but, the minute Im putting it on CD, its dieing. I didnt just slip up and it not make it into the WAV. Ive already said that the wav plays fine on my pc, and on EVERYONE elses pcs, but, the minute we (and yes, its a we situation now) are putting it too CD, about 60% of the lead is disappearing. Its thier in the wav though. This is not something silly like volume being cut. This is something deeply wierd about either my synths phase causing canellation on CD that Im not seeing and that switching to mono and treating the synth the ways I know how isnt fixing, or god just hates me. Like I said, a clip of its in my sig, if you wanna hear for yourself that the lead does in fact exist, and is not just in my imagination, feel free.

But, no... for the last time no... this is not a question of me accidentally having a sound muted, this is not a problem with the sound not being rendered properly into the WAV... it is a question of bits of the WAV disappearing and the file suffering a huge loss in quality when its put too a CD.

ezzzz :roll:

you have burnt it off using someone else's cd burner too right?

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Post by Basic A » Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:55 am

lowpass wrote:
Basic A wrote:
lowpass wrote:Have you played the song from the very start to the very end in you daw?

-make sure there are no mute/volume automation making it behave funny
-what automation is on the lead line?
-is it's output set to the same as everything else? (where is it routed to?)

What I dont think anyones understanding is that the track is FINE on my PC, and on EVERYONE elses pcs, but, the minute Im putting it on CD, its dieing. I didnt just slip up and it not make it into the WAV. Ive already said that the wav plays fine on my pc, and on EVERYONE elses pcs, but, the minute we (and yes, its a we situation now) are putting it too CD, about 60% of the lead is disappearing. Its thier in the wav though. This is not something silly like volume being cut. This is something deeply wierd about either my synths phase causing canellation on CD that Im not seeing and that switching to mono and treating the synth the ways I know how isnt fixing, or god just hates me. Like I said, a clip of its in my sig, if you wanna hear for yourself that the lead does in fact exist, and is not just in my imagination, feel free.

But, no... for the last time no... this is not a question of me accidentally having a sound muted, this is not a problem with the sound not being rendered properly into the WAV... it is a question of bits of the WAV disappearing and the file suffering a huge loss in quality when its put too a CD.

ezzzz :roll:

you have burnt it off using someone else's cd burner too right?
Haha, sorry if that sounded a bit windy man...

But, yeah, burnt off of both mine, and had two of my people who are holding copies of the wav burn it off too, n they had the same problem... Its sooo fuuuckkkkiiin wiiiieeeerrrd....

N on that note, my people holding the wavs all unanimously agree : the mixdowns pretty on in the WAV.
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Post by lowpass » Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:02 am

lol it's cool I did the thing of not really reading the rest of the thread before posting.

That is weird though, I'm sure detective macc will be on the case shortly.

Can you bounce out the lead on it's own? show us a pic and try burning that to cd? I am curious

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Post by flippo » Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:38 am

I gotta hear this for myself. Uploaded Wav anywhere?

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Post by Basic A » Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:50 am

flippo wrote:I gotta hear this for myself. Uploaded Wav anywhere?
lowpass wrote:I did the thing of not really reading the rest of the thread before posting.
Basic A wrote:Like I said, a clip of its in my sig, if you wanna hear for yourself that the lead does in fact exist, and is not just in my imagination, feel free.
Basic A wrote: Seriously, if anyone who knows shit about mastering or ect wants to help me out in this, Ive got 320s, WAVs, stems, idc, Ill send it all if it means havin this muffucka on a CD by Saturday.
:lol: :wink:


PM me for the synth solo or for full quality copies you can inspect yourself if you want, not gonna make this track public over it though... definately take help if you offer it though, so, free WAVs for all my thread people!!!

Im gonna try burning just the synth when I go buy more Cds later, I burnt through what was left trying :u: ...

This is pissing me off, I speant ages tweakin my synth where I felt I wnated it, its the first sound i ever got in my head and transferred well onto paper... so for it too get eaten like this... :u:
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Re: Burning Woe...

Post by continuumdnb » Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:54 am

can you burn the wav to an audio CD, rip it from the CD and then upload the rip somewhere for people to compare?

I realise there's gonna be some quality loss, but it'll be interesting to see whether the rip has the same problem, and if it does the people will be able to understand much better exactly what's going on by listening.
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Post by kidlogic » Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:37 am

What are you using to burn it? Are the others who are burning copies for you as well using the same program? iTunes? Could be something with the way iTunes is treating it as it turns it from .wav to .cda... eq on, volume limiter on?

Try converting it to an mp3 and see if it does it too, just to see if its something happening with the conversion - I know its not the same conversion algorythyms, but if its happening consistantly then at least you'll know its something with the frequencies of the lead maybe?

Not sure, this is definately a weird one...

Stupid question as Im sure you may have... but have you rendered another version of the same tune? Maybe overthinking it and its just something resulting from a weird render error?

Just throwing out there whats coming to mind...

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