Why cant wobble and Dub heads just get along?

[mrdii]

I listen to most types of Dubstep, and it's such a broad genre so everything gets branched together when maybe it shouldn't. I.e. Burial is completely different to 16bit's chainsaw caligraphy...and yet everyone identifies the two as both dubstep.
However, I think in every genre you get those who think they're better for liking certain more 'mature' styles. A wobble can sound sick if done right so why hate it...?

[deadly_habit]

why is it always people who just registered to this forum within the last couple years asking these retarded questions?

[Tragic_Gash]

Cos then DSF would have to shut down due to lack of activity!

lol true

[fractal]

people forget that the original beef wasn't dub vs hype or whatever the kids are calling it these days... the original idea was that in dubstep each producer would have his or her own style and sound... people originally started talking shit on the ott hype tunes for being to similar to coki or distance or whatever; the beef wasn't the style itself, it was the idea that someone just followed a formula and made their own version of someone else's style... when the music first began, i think we were overly optimistic that it wouldn't turn into one sound, but always continue to push itself FWD... I play a skull disco track at a party and a kid asks, "when you gonna play some dubstep man?" now you have people calling hyperdub the "fringes of dubstep" and if you look at the comments people make on youtube regarding what is and what isn't dubstep, it's plain to see that the idea has been lost, people really do think dubstep is this generic halftime midrangefest and all the other angles have been removed to the "fringes" when really they should be at the "heart"

that being said i think that there is a lot of unity still. Artist like distance, starkey, coki, loefah, skream, and el-b, just to name a tiny fraction, play and produce tunes that are deep and tunes that are hype as fuck. i think that's the key to happiness for me in this music, to not let it become a 2 sided vs thing when it really is a multifaceted style of music, still. as long as the nights i go to or the sets i listen to aren't one style of music, i wont get bored

it's the shit talking that's stupid. unless the artist is asking for you're views, talking mad shit about the tune or the people who like the tunes on a appreciation thread is childish and boring, find what you like and enjoy yourself, why waste energy on negativity?

[bokatordubstep]

why is it always people who just registered to this forum within the last couple years asking these retarded questions?

no such thing as stupid questions, only stupid answers

if there's any place to ask such a question, i, personally, would have to think it would be DUBSTEPforum.com


ya know, with the dub, and the step, and the wobbles....

maybe the reason people can't get along is because certain types of people go out calling questions "retarded" instead of giving at least HALFWAY intellectual answers?



anyway, back to the topic. (and in all honesty, there have been many a thread about this....)

but personally, i think it's because most of the people that were into dubstep before wobbles were a major part of the recipe are dissatisfied with the direction that the music is heading. they fell in love with the deep subs and minimalism of the sound, sparse, eerie rhythms, and subtle reggae influence. all of these things seem to be slowly disappearing from what the majority of steppers would call "dubstep".

in a nutshell, i think they feel that the "wobblers" have moved so far from what their definition of "dubstep" is, that they don't really consider them "dubstep".

like watching a caterpillar turn into a butterfly and still calling it a caterpillar. not to suggest that it's turned into something more, or better, just a loose analogy.

i enjoy both equally.

biggup SBH, you guys are MURKING it right now

[bokatordubstep]

people forget that the original beef wasn't dub vs hype or whatever the kids are calling it these days... the original idea was that in dubstep each producer would have his or her own style and sound... people originally started talking shit on the ott hype tunes for being to similar to coki or distance or whatever; the beef wasn't the style itself, it was the idea that someone just followed a formula and made their own version of someone else's style... when the music first began, i think we were overly optimistic that it wouldn't turn into one sound, but always continue to push itself FWD... I play a skull disco track at a party and a kid asks, "when you gonna play some dubstep man?" now you have people calling hyperdub the "fringes of dubstep" and if you look at the comments people make on youtube regarding what is and what isn't dubstep, it's plain to see that the idea has been lost, people really do think dubstep is this generic halftime midrangefest and all the other angles have been removed to the "fringes" when really they should be at the "heart"

that being said i think that there is a lot of unity still. Artist like distance, starkey, coki, loefah, skream, and el-b, just to name a tiny fraction, play and produce tunes that are deep and tunes that are hype as fuck. i think that's the key to happiness for me in this music, to not let it become a 2 sided vs thing when it really is a multifaceted style of music, still. as long as the nights i go to or the sets i listen to aren't one style of music, i wont get bored

it's the shit talking that's stupid. unless the artist is asking for you're views, talking mad shit about the tune or the people who like the tunes on a appreciation thread is childish and boring, find what you like and enjoy yourself, why waste energy on negativity?

somehow overlooked this when i read through the first time, good post fractal.

[nousd]

i think it's because most of the people that were into dubstep before wobbles were a major part of the recipe are dissatisfied with the direction that the music is heading. they fell in love with the deep subs and minimalism of the sound, sparse, eerie rhythms, and subtle reggae influence. all of these things seem to be slowly disappearing from what the majority of steppers would call "dubstep".

in a nutshell, i think they feel that the "wobblers" have moved so far from what their definition of "dubstep" is, that they don't really consider them "dubstep".

close to my feelings
except "wobble" is part of all dubstep so it's not they vs wobblers imo

[rob sparx]

people forget that the original beef wasn't dub vs hype or whatever the kids are calling it these days... the original idea was that in dubstep each producer would have his or her own style and sound... people originally started talking shit on the ott hype tunes for being to similar to coki or distance or whatever; the beef wasn't the style itself, it was the idea that someone just followed a formula and made their own version of someone else's style

I'm not keen on any attempt to make producers feel bad about trying out new sounds, the way I look at it the wider a reportoire of sounds you have to play with the more interesting your music is going to sound. All too often producers use wanted to stick to their own sound as an excuse for lazy production anyway.

If a producer is CONSISTENTLY copying lots of elements of another producer and doing it badly then fair enough slate them for it but if a producer's trying to develop a new aspect to their own sound then fair play to them theres no patent on the wobble or 80's synth leads or glitchy drums etc etc

[colak]

i never meet proper one-camp-or-the-other nobheads on road, it is just a forum thing.

most tossers who whinge about how offended they are by a tune's existence just sit at home in front of a monitor alternating between making the bald man sick and crying in self-loathing. i suppose. that's why i don't bother with DOA these days.

[V-dub]

Wobbles and bass are the key elements into what make Dubstep imo.

[ruckspin]

I play a skull disco track at a party and a kid asks, "when you gonna play some dubstep man?" now you have people calling hyperdub the "fringes of dubstep" and if you look at the comments people make on youtube regarding what is and what isn't dubstep, it's plain to see that the idea has been lost, people really do think dubstep is this generic halftime midrangefest and all the other angles have been removed to the "fringes" when really they should be at the "heart"

that being said i think that there is a lot of unity still. Artist like distance, starkey, coki, loefah, skream, and el-b, just to name a tiny fraction, play and produce tunes that are deep and tunes that are hype as fuck. i think that's the key to happiness for me in this music, to not let it become a 2 sided vs thing when it really is a multifaceted style of music, still. as long as the nights i go to or the sets i listen to aren't one style of music, i wont get bored

NAIL.ON.THE.HEAD.

my two most successful tunes have been oxygen & sunshine which are completely contrasting styles. but i put the same amount of effort into producing both.
I also have a live band called 'submotion orchestra' but many people deny that it is even dubstep...

[Pistonsbeneath]

why is it always people who just registered to this forum within the last couple years asking these retarded questions?

[fractal]

why is it always people who just registered to this forum within the last couple years asking these retarded questions?

no such thing as stupid questions, only stupid answers

if there's any place to ask such a question, i, personally, would have to think it would be DUBSTEPforum.com


ya know, with the dub, and the step, and the wobbles....

maybe the reason people can't get along is because certain types of people go out calling questions "retarded" instead of giving at least HALFWAY intellectual answers?

[Pistonsbeneath]

nah it is a retarded question...

i also take offense at the misuse of the word dub in this context...

end of the day people like what they like....if the OP cannot understand that then they're an idiot

[fractal]

sometimes i agree with the things you say, but you sure are a snarky fellow


"i don't like your perception of the word dub... you should know as much about this thing as i do... i work in a commercial cd shop..."

i think the OP was just confused, as a lot of us are, as to why people try to get all intellectual, angry, preachy, bitchy and whiney about dance music that they don't enjoy. it's silly, really

i miss the vibes of this place, when you could ask anything and people didn't act all condescending


we're all just people, you know?

[Pistonsbeneath]

i don't care much about loads of music that has no appeal to me tbh...

I happen to like every genre though...

I suppose i just can't abide ignorance in general....it can be about anything...maybe i can be a little harsh at times but i find peoples incessant bandwagon jumping repugnant

I lost money trying to promote before it was insanelt popular and not very good...it is ultimately futile to try and make the appeal of a genre more friendly and accessible as people just end up demanding it change for them into a dumbed down shell of it's former self in i might add the most ignorant fashion...

In my job i have a lot of regulars and in 10 years experience i am sorry to say you really can profile people via other homogenous ignorant behaviour as being the enemy of music and others with their general interest beyond labeling themselves and wearing a t-shirt that tells you who they are / can't like certain music as it isn't 'them' etc etc..country music LOLOLOLOLLOLOL THEY SELL COUNTRY LOLOLOLOLOL and actually being a pleasure to talk to about what they're buying as being the good folks that keep good music happening via supporting it...

trust me i am not a tnuc lightly

[fractal]

i guess i didnt realize how serious you are until i read the words "enemy of music"









still got love for ya, you know... don't mean to be sending...

[drokkr]

I listen to all sorts of music... and within Dubstep I listen to all it's various forms also.

Far too many people on here seem to want a divide between "wobble and dubstep[/p]" on here to actually exist, for the life of me I can't figure out why.But I'll try. I think most of the posters in these sort of threads come from two backgrounds. Either they were shown Dubstep by a mate but it was a DMZ style track or something like it on that end of the spectrum (Toasty "The Knowledge" for me) OR they heard a certain CD that Fabric released a while back. Already you had a picture painted in your head of what Dubstep was. Like, when you first found that track that made you brain go "whatthefuckisthis", I think that tie yourself to that sound in some way. Maybe this is why some people are so opinionated on the angle that the see to be their "Dubstep"... I could be way off here too.

If you like something listen to it. If you don't like some thing don't listen to it. It's pretty simple.

Also 10 points to the OP for finding good way to mask some self promotion in a thread that will get folk typing too

[Southbound hangers]

why is it always people who just registered to this forum within the last couple years asking these retarded questions?

Been registered under a different name for a few years now,thought id create a profile under our artists name, dont really go on to forums to much because of discussions like this but i thought it would be funny to push peoples buttons and see what people have to say (it worked) . Think it might become a new hobby of mine, its a good read. Appologies if you think its a stupid question.

[DRTY]

It's only a problem on DSF. In real life, there is no problem.