Why cant wobble and Dub heads just get along?

[theprjctmyhm]

Because your wobbles sound like your mum's thighs slapping together mate..sort it out sbh!!

[hardwareltd]

people forget that the original beef wasn't dub vs hype or whatever the kids are calling it these days... the original idea was that in dubstep each producer would have his or her own style and sound... people originally started talking shit on the ott hype tunes for being to similar to coki or distance or whatever; the beef wasn't the style itself, it was the idea that someone just followed a formula and made their own version of someone else's style... when the music first began, i think we were overly optimistic that it wouldn't turn into one sound, but always continue to push itself FWD... I play a skull disco track at a party and a kid asks, "when you gonna play some dubstep man?" now you have people calling hyperdub the "fringes of dubstep" and if you look at the comments people make on youtube regarding what is and what isn't dubstep, it's plain to see that the idea has been lost, people really do think dubstep is this generic halftime midrangefest and all the other angles have been removed to the "fringes" when really they should be at the "heart"

that being said i think that there is a lot of unity still. Artist like distance, starkey, coki, loefah, skream, and el-b, just to name a tiny fraction, play and produce tunes that are deep and tunes that are hype as fuck. i think that's the key to happiness for me in this music, to not let it become a 2 sided vs thing when it really is a multifaceted style of music, still. as long as the nights i go to or the sets i listen to aren't one style of music, i wont get bored

it's the shit talking that's stupid. unless the artist is asking for you're views, talking mad shit about the tune or the people who like the tunes on a appreciation thread is childish and boring, find what you like and enjoy yourself, why waste energy on negativity?

This happens to every genre or scene or whatever musical entity. New, fresh sounds appear, slowly become popular, spread throughout the world and after some time the production simply tends to mainstream taste of more-or-less common listeners. It naturally simplifies and begins to be binded to some general formula, easy to understand for such listeners. Creativity has barely a space to influence the mainstream and the the quality is more and more hidden and over-rided by quantity.

It's naive to think it doesn't have to be this way. It always is. Just look at what became from drum and bass. Who gives a fuck about it today among creative, forward thinking listeners seeking innovations? Those people started to listen to different music, mostly dubstep (at least I know tons of people who made it from drum and bass to dubstep, including myself) because they spotted something fresh and innovative.

Sometimes I get feelings that this process is taking over dubstep. Thank God the creativity and attempts to move the sound forward are still there. There are bunch of great musicians producing wide range of sounds that keep the creativity alive. I hope it will stay this way as long as possible.

[kion]

[whitelight]

Fuck people who are satisfied by soul-less music made by untalented copycats.

Fractal's post is one of the most intelligent comment I've read about this whole "Brostep" thing.

I don't hate "agressive" dubstep...actually I really like some of it. I'm just tired of hearing the same thing again and again. Take the thread starter's music, for instance. It's so unnoriginal the only way you could say "hey, I know that track" in a club when it's playing is because of the vocal samples.

For god sakes, if you wanna make music, at least try to get your synths/bass/pads/whatever to sound somewhat different from every other kid with a computer.

[Brown Noise]

THIS!!

[colak]

Mods and rockers used to fight like fuck, in a physical and violent way, not mince about on forums.

[Pada]

Big up Fractal, quality quality post!

[ed teach]

A wise man once said:

"Combination is stronger than version".

Meaning - The more sounds you can (respectfully) get working together, the better it will turn out. There's just more to deal with nowadays.

[fractal]

people forget that the original beef wasn't dub vs hype or whatever the kids are calling it these days... the original idea was that in dubstep each producer would have his or her own style and sound... people originally started talking shit on the ott hype tunes for being to similar to coki or distance or whatever; the beef wasn't the style itself, it was the idea that someone just followed a formula and made their own version of someone else's style... when the music first began, i think we were overly optimistic that it wouldn't turn into one sound, but always continue to push itself FWD... I play a skull disco track at a party and a kid asks, "when you gonna play some dubstep man?" now you have people calling hyperdub the "fringes of dubstep" and if you look at the comments people make on youtube regarding what is and what isn't dubstep, it's plain to see that the idea has been lost, people really do think dubstep is this generic halftime midrangefest and all the other angles have been removed to the "fringes" when really they should be at the "heart"

that being said i think that there is a lot of unity still. Artist like distance, starkey, coki, loefah, skream, and el-b, just to name a tiny fraction, play and produce tunes that are deep and tunes that are hype as fuck. i think that's the key to happiness for me in this music, to not let it become a 2 sided vs thing when it really is a multifaceted style of music, still. as long as the nights i go to or the sets i listen to aren't one style of music, i wont get bored

it's the shit talking that's stupid. unless the artist is asking for you're views, talking mad shit about the tune or the people who like the tunes on a appreciation thread is childish and boring, find what you like and enjoy yourself, why waste energy on negativity?

This happens to every genre or scene or whatever musical entity. New, fresh sounds appear, slowly become popular, spread throughout the world and after some time the production simply tends to mainstream taste of more-or-less common listeners. It naturally simplifies and begins to be binded to some general formula, easy to understand for such listeners. Creativity has barely a space to influence the mainstream and the the quality is more and more hidden and over-rided by quantity.

It's naive to think it doesn't have to be this way. It always is. Just look at what became from drum and bass....

yep, that's why i started my statement with, "maybe i was overly optimistic"... i'm an old dude, i've seen the cycle through many sounds. to me it's always been the same music, just applied differently, since the late 80's... love the new sounds of 2010, optimistic still! big up unity crew

[feral witchchild]

Fuck brostep and all the idiots who make it, I'll take my "medatative" soft ass garage fagit 2step over that bullshit any day. >: |

[Southbound hangers]

Fuck brostep and all the idiots who make it, I'll take my "medatative" soft ass garage fagit 2step over that bullshit any day. >: |

Im sure youve heard of this guy but if not check him out, he sent us some tunes recently FUCKIN HUGE 2step garage kind vibes!

http://www.myspace.com/2nd2nonefoundation

[feral witchchild]

It's people like you who ruin music

No, it's idiots who take artistry out of genres who do that.

I don't even have anything against abrasive dubstep, per se, I love Coki, but shit like Borgore is just obnoxious and I honestly don't give a fuck if you disagree with that. >: |

[hellfire machina]

It's people like you who ruin music

No, it's idiots who take artistry out of genres who do that.

I don't even have anything against abrasive dubstep, per se, I love Coki, but shit like Borgore is just obnoxious and I honestly don't give a fuck if you disagree with that. >: |

Sounds like someone nicked the jam out your donut bruv

Life is art so the artistery can never be taken out of anything really, if you don't see the art in something that's your problem not the problem of the people that do, it's your inability to see it thats is the cause of the issue.

[feral witchchild]

Sounds like someone nicked the jam out your donut bruv

I figured the face would convey my level of seriousness but I guess not. Stuff like Borgore genuinely does not appeal to me...so when people bring this whole debate up, I'm bound to talk about that but I don't have like a grudge against him or brostep producers in general. It just ain't my thang. I mean, you have to understand, I don't really go clubbing, I have but I'm not really into it so I'm kind of fundamentally indifferent to stuff that has to be approached with like a less introspective state of mind. Plus I don't really give a fuck about what works or doesn't work on the dance flo' if it doesn't do anything for me emotionally. I simply feel nothing inside when listening to stuff like Borgore, the rhythms and vibes just don't resonate with me...and it's not just because of the wobble, it's the way that shit is used. Obnoxiously. lol

[nicenice]

Hear one wobble and you heard em all.

[rob sparx]

If you were comparing it to cooking then wobble is like meat and dub like veg - most ppl/djs eat/play both but theres plenty of misguided idiots out there who are too backward to eat any vegetables and a few self righteous prics who bang on about how we should all be vegetarians.

There is a huge amount of "producers" out there with no musical talent whatsoever churning out generic spazzy wobble on their parents computers, basically a 5 year old could write that chavvy spastic crap (although it obviously takes a lot more skill to do it properly and with a bit more originality) BUT then there is also a huge amount of supposedly soulful but actually pretty fucking uninspiring pretenious anal shit being put out that gets played on certain djs shows regularly. I can appreciate a lot more effort and skill has gone into the pretentious anal crap its still pretenious anal crap and you can't polish a turd can you? Or to put it another way just bcos a tune is original and well produced doesn't mean its actually any good.

Its pretty obvious why theres a constant argument over the two styles - dub heads can't stand the constant neverending supply of obnoxious chavvy spastic crap that gets released and get even more wound up by the fact that some of it is so popular confirming their fears that the idiots are well and truly in the building (they are). Jumpup heads don't think the elitists have any right to hate on their music considering how shite a lot of the well produced IDM cack they listen to is and get wound up by the idea that however amazing the sound of their favourite tune is to them some chinstrokers will always tell them it sounds like Borgore cos its got a midrange bass.

[Pistonsbeneath]

last night i was playing out and had a mixture of wobblers, deepness, reggae tinged sound, skullstep, 2 step & full on hype as well as the classics (dmz etc) and i still had people asking me ALL NIGHT i might add for datsik, cookie monsta, doctor p, borgore etc etc etc....i played some bar 9, rob sparx (hehe), pixel fist, akira kiteshi, raffertie, coki (spongebob), caspa, kromestar hypa tunes & plastician kosheen rmx but that obviously wasnt enough for the peeps that think all dubstep should sound like the sound fx from transformers 2

im not as annoyed as i used to be though...the bar just needs someone to play the stuff i wont and then i can say theyre gonna play it

[blackdown]

Jumpup heads don't think the elitists have any right to hate on their music

while there are two camps with differing opinions, i think the anti-wobble camp have a right to complain about wobble because a) the sound that created the dubstep scene to begin with (2000-2005) wasn't the mid-range wobble sound and b) said mid range wobble sound is now the dominant default/mainstream club sound, rather than being a being a balanced part of a wide, healthy dubstep spectrum.

(i should point out though that in 2010 i mostly think of this battle of being pretty much over and the quest for the incredible sense of musical progress that the wobble formula prevents as being carried on by headz elsewhere).

[DRTY]

If you were comparing it to cooking then wobble is like meat and dub like veg - most ppl/djs eat/play both but theres plenty of misguided idiots out there who are too backward to eat any vegetables and a few self righteous prics who bang on about how we should all be vegetarians.

Sick metaphor

+1

[nicenice]

Jumpup heads don't think the elitists have any right to hate on their music

while there are two camps with differing opinions, i think the anti-wobble camp have a right to complain about wobble because a) the sound that created the dubstep scene to begin with (2000-2005) wasn't the mid-range wobble sound and b) said mid range wobble sound is now the dominant default/mainstream club sound, rather than being a being a balanced part of a wide, healthy dubstep spectrum.

(i should point out though that in 2010 i mostly think of this battle of being pretty much over and the quest for the incredible sense of musical progress that the wobble formula prevents as being carried on by headz elsewhere).

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